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Old 06-22-2010, 02:30 PM
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Not sure. I do like Christie & Mike Pence too. Honestly I dont think that Obama will be that hard to beat. If the GOP fields ANY decent candidate willing to tackle the nation's mounting debt, I think he wins in a landslide.
I agree with you, Deacon. Anyone that will tackle the nation's mounting debt will win. Paul Ryan is super in this area.

The fundamental difference in the Healthcare reform bill is that the Democrats did not set out to balance the budget. They want to get everyone covered and control costs.

Ryan doesn't aim for universal coverage, he aims to control costs and ends up cutting the deficit by future projection, which some say is not the same as balancing the budget as the CBO doesn't do projections over a 10-year span. I think Ryan is projecting to put us in a surplus by 2060 and out of federal debt by 2080.

More involved than I will go into. I know that some of the Republicans were not on board with it.

Anyway, this is my most favorite YouTube clip of Paul Ryan "schooling" Obamanation! I simply love it!!!

I like his approach, how he lays things out, how he cuts to the chase. He's impressive, IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3XAMFa3RYU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DyrAdhdkNs&NR=1

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Old 06-22-2010, 02:33 PM
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Just a note on Ryan, I love the guy and many "in the know" say he is the smartest guy they know....which is saying something when you consider Newt and Bill Bennet are pretty sharp tacks.

Jindal is also a brilliant guy. His resume is second to none.
Newt says he will make a decision to run for president in February of 2011. I believe he announced that at CPAC.
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Newt says he will make a decision to run for president in February of 2011. I believe he announced that at CPAC.
Newt is a historian. He understand Presidential History better than any politician alive. That is why he didnt run last time around.

He knew what I was saying here, No republican had a chance.

If he announces, you can believe he thinks the republican nominee will have a better than 50% chance of winning.
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Newt is a historian. He understand Presidential History better than any politician alive. That is why he didnt run last time around.

He knew what I was saying here, No republican had a chance.

If he announces, you can believe he thinks the republican nominee will have a better than 50% chance of winning.
I agree! He would totally spank Obama in a debate.

Now, if he doesn't announce he will run, will you think we have no chance in 2012? Or will you think he has other reasons for not throwing his hat in the ring?
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I agree! He would totally spank Obama in a debate.

Now, if he doesn't announce he will run, will you think we have no chance in 2012? Or will you think he has other reasons for not throwing his hat in the ring?
I think the odds are too close and I think he will have done enough polling to know that he is too tainted to win.
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I think the odds are too close and I think he will have done enough polling to know that he is too tainted to win.
Does anyone else expect the Obamas to "wag the dog" here? I look for major amounts of pressure on Iran by the current admin before the fall elections.

1. A second carrier battle group has just moved into the region and two more are "Surge Ready" in the Atlantic while another left San Diego last week in a "Surge Ready" status.

2. Saudi Arabia is said to have given Israel clearance through a corridor of Saudi airspace.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...aI2Mrgup0JCh6Q

The Saudis of course claim this to be "illogical" and even "slanderous" publicly. But the zealous Sunni government is no friend of the Shiite and Persian Iranians. After World War One, ibn Saud was preparing to invade Mesopotamia (Iraq) to "free" it from the Persian and "infidel" grip (much of Southwestern Iran is considered "Iraq" by the Arabs and has a large Arab population- even a majority in many areas).

Only the sudden availability of the Hejaz (Mecca and Medina) stopped him from that. A common cultural point for travelers is that you do not refer to the Gulf as "The Persian Gulf." It's " al-Khaleej al-Arabi;" the Arabian Gulf. There's a lot of animosity here.

If the Americans permitted the Israelis to overfly Iraq then the Iranians could raise a hue and cry about the US being in the region as a "crusader" force and subservient to "Jewish interests." The Jordanians would also be isolated politically.

The Saudis, however; would be seen (after the fact and after denying the whole affair) as simply being pragmatic and acting in their own self interests. The Kuwaitis, UAE and Bahrain also remember the attacks they suffered from the Iranians during "the great Arab-Persian conflict" of the late 1980s (The Iran/Iraq War).

Of course, the Iranian response will be to lash out against the American forces in the Gulf. This necessitates beefing them up. The reprisals for the attacks against the Americans will result in the destruction of Iranian bases along the Gulf and maybe even follow up attacks on the nuclear sites.

I'm not too worried about the effects of any Iranian attacks. Their "boat swarming" tactics are about as effective as Saddam's "technical vehicles" were against Abrams tanks. The only real danger they pose is if they obtained nukes. American "Wild Weasel" tactics will render most of their conventional missiles into scrap. Of course, this whole scenario must involve some American casualties - but the Iranian losses will be disproportionate and send them back to their North Korean drawing boards.
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Another factor for wagging the dog this summer and fall is the fact that Rahm Emmanuel (Rahmbo) appears to be headed out after the midterms.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ite-House.html

Rahmbo is so dedicated to the Jewish state that he has actually volunteered to serve in its armed forces in the past. During the Gulf War he served as a truck mechanic in Israel. He favors giving up much of the West Bank Gaza to a proposed Palestinian "state" - but he does so pragmatically. There's no way Israel can absorb that many Arabs and remain a "Jewish state."

I think Emmanuel will be pushing for a tough stand in the months before he leaves.

Vanity Fair doesn't see it that way. http://www.vanityfair.com/online/dai...ite-house.html

Either way, I trust BHO to do right by Israel only because Rahm is there. But then again, I don't trust RH to do right by America on any other issue.

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"Does anyone else expect the Obamas to "wag the dog" here? I look for major amounts of pressure on Iran by the current admin before the fall elections."


Exactly what I thought when seeing these recent news reports, Pel.
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I do not believe for one second that this Whitehouse will do a blessed thing to stop Iran.

I believe this Whitehouse has every expectation of dealing with Iran as a nuclear power.

Dont kid yourselves folks, Obama is no friend of Israel nor is he willing to confront Iran.
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This link will take you to National Review Online and their video are called Uncommon Knowlege

Each interview is split into 5 parts each are about 8 minutes long.
Anyone with an interest in Iran needs to watch several of these. watch them in order, they are stacked in reverse order so look for Part 1 etc.
these are the ones that are relevent to Iran

Politics & Policy with John Podhoretz:

The U.S. & the Middle East with Fouad Ajami:

The Iran Problem with Hanson & Baer: (This one is maybe the most detailed)
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