Preserving the Institution of Marriage

[James Griffin]

Posted by Ultralib

James Griffin,

You are still missunderstanding me. I said I appose sin, so I am not for the sin of homosexuals. And I also said that I am not against voting against it. But I do believe that we are just pushing homosexuals back into the closet, and not dealing with the root of the problem. They need Jesus, not rules. Jesus is the only think that will make them change. No matter how many laws you pass, they will still be homosexual. So get filled with the agape love of God, and show them his love so they can find hope, and be changed by the holy spirt. Then you wont need to make all kinds of laws against them. All you are doing right now is putting a bandaid on the true problem. They don't know Jesus's love.

Ultralib,,

B]And once again you misstate the issue, [/B]there is not a move afoot to BAN it, there is a move afoot to LEGALIZE IT. So in order to legalize it YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RULE IN FAVOR OF, And you obviously would like to see it legalized, your speech betrays you. And in order to legalize it your's and Rudy's argument fall apart because it would require a vote to change God's government. OR on the other side you honestly believe it to be sin, and you have a duty to be used of God to vote on the proposal so either way Check and mate.

Night children.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I have rebuked and resisted that spirit for years and I am not afraid...I know who you are and God has your number.

Blessings, Rhoni

Rhony,

I now God has my number, cause I call him up on the main line all the time, and he has caller id.


Sisiter Rhony, I do not know what it troubling you, but I hope you can find peace and the agape love of God in your life. You sure are wound up tight.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

And once again you mis-state the issue, there is not a move afoot to BAN it, there is a move afoot to LEGALIZE IT. And you obviously would like to see it legalized, your speech betrays you. And in order to legalize it your's and Rudy's argument fall apart because it would require a vote to change God's government. OR on the other side you honestly believe it to be sin, and you have a duty to be used of God to vote on the proposal so either way Check and mate.

Night children.

It has been illegal for a long time for the most part. Did it stop them from being gay?

Originally Posted by James Griffin

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James Griffin,

You are still missunderstanding me. I said I appose sin, so I am not for the sin of homosexuals. And I also said that I am not against voting against it. But I do believe that we are just pushing homosexuals back into the closet, and not dealing with the root of the problem. They need Jesus, not rules. Jesus is the only think that will make them change. No matter how many laws you pass, they will still be homosexual. So get filled with the agape love of God, and show them his love so they can find hope, and be changed by the holy spirt. Then you wont need to make all kinds of laws against them. All you are doing right now is putting a bandaid on the true problem. They don't know Jesus's love.

And once again you misstate the issue, there is not a move afoot to BAN it, there is a move afoot to LEGALIZE IT. So in order to legalize it YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RULE IN FAVOR OF, And you obviously would like to see it legalized, your speech betrays you. And in order to legalize it your's and Rudy's argument fall apart because it would require a vote to change God's government. OR on the other side you honestly believe it to be sin, and you have a duty to be used of God to vote on the proposal so either way Check and mate.

Night children.

James griffin,

I do not understand your posting this again. I have not said that this world is Gods government, and is Gods government. I have not stated that they are trying to ban it, but i would vote for it to be banned if so. But I do say that the real change that is needed is found in Jesus.

Good night dad.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Rudy

It has been illegal for a long time for the most part. Did it stop them from being gay?

Rudy for the last time your argument is self-contradictory. By using YOUR ARGUMENT the government is in place at the sole will of God. Therefore using YOUR ARGUMENT the status quo is the will of God and voting to change would be by YOUR ARGUMENT fighting God.

Now I hope you see how tenuous, specious, and hopeless that position is, to which you have backed yourself into a corner.

Unless you are of course NOW doing a 180 degree change and saying the status quo is NOT God's will and we should vote to change it.

Really, try and pick a side and stay with it for at least a couple posts.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by UltraLib

James griffin,

I do not understand your posting this again. I have not said that this world is Gods government, and is Gods government. I have not stated that they are trying to ban it, but i would vote for it to be banned if so. But I do say that the real change that is needed is found in Jesus.

Good night dad.

Good for you!!!!!!! Now explain to Rudy why you do not think it is wrong to vote, and you agree that it should be banned.

James Griffin,

I live in this world, so I do not believe it is wrong to vote. But because I am not of this world, I understand that there is a higher law, and that is the law of the holy spirit, which is love. and that is the one I really want the homosexuals to see. Not a vote to stop them, but the spirit to change them.

If rudy says that God is in control of the government, and the government is allowing sin, then God is allowing sin, right?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Rudy for the last time your argument is self-contradictory. By using YOUR ARGUMENT the government is in place at the sole will of God. Therefore using YOUR ARGUMENT the status quo is the will of God and voting to change would be by YOUR ARGUMENT fighting God.

Now I hope you see how tenuous, specious, and hopeless that position is, to which you have backed yourself into a corner.

Unless you are of course NOW doing a 180 degree change and saying the status quo is NOT God's will and we should vote to change it.

Really, try and pick a side and stay with it for at least a couple posts.

No, not fighting God. You are trying to make this secular world a holy one through law. It cannot happen. Did God save you? Did he not give you authority? Have you walked the line and never sinned since you've been saved? Because someone is appointed by God does not mean they are holy. We (the body of Christ are made perfect through Christ) this is the difference. Political christiananity is trying to make the secular world into the image of Christ through law. God is in control of them. WE are INSTRUCTED ONLY to PRAY FOR THEM. God rules in the kingdom of men and judgement is coming. The appointed authority by God does not mean he has appointed sinnless men and women.

[James Griffin]

Please read post #96 where YOU said YOU would vote to ban same sex marriage!

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Please read post #96 where YOU said YOU would vote to ban same sex marriage!

James Griffin,


That was my post, and I did say I would ban it because I live in this world. The bible says that when the righteous rules the people rejoice. I like to rejoice, so I will vote for those that stand for righteousness.

But I also am not of this world, but of a heavenly world. I am an embassador to this world. I represintative of Jesus Christ, so I wil also do my part to reach out to those in sin and try and allow them to see the agape love of God in me. This to me is the greater vote, that they will not just be pushed down but changed.

So while I will do my part to keep righteous men in rule, I will also strive for the greater good, the saving of a soul.