Dear Kansas Preacher, - Page 10

#91 09-30-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

One major problem is that just about every little thing divides conservatives... i.e. Christmas trees, fall parties, use of video and internet.... slits in the skirts, chopsticks in the hair, short-sleeves/long-sleeves.... hairbows, brown or colored stockings, colored or white shirts on the platform, the list goes on and on...

Yep! I believe you are right. If you don't believe anything is right or anything is wrong you can get along with any one. Thus, no division!

You are brilliant... brilliant!

(TICSO)

Sister Alvear · #92 09-30-2007, 01:37 PM

sad when brothers become enemies over a card game...and to me that is about all these things are in the light of how serious eternity is...

Sister Alvear · #93 09-30-2007, 01:48 PM

I think a lot of growing up could go on and we could mature and do a lot more for the kingdom...as long as we are fussing over trees and lights the world sits in mostly total darkness...doubt if they know most of us exist!

And I know sometimes there are serious differences however even then we can be careful what we say. I seldom say anything unless I feel something or somewhere is dangerous...Of course I am not a pastor...and some things are not becoming for women to become involved in...

Sister Alvear · #94 09-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Oh, my I just noticed the name of this thread...what I said is NOT directed to KP...

Kansas Preacher · #95 09-30-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

KP -

They say leaving the church or organization doesn't happen overnight. It's a process that's planned out and takes time. While you're not leaving the church, you have planned on leaving the organization for a while now. It started months, perhaps even up to years, before now. When you resigned from being the Kansas DS, many said it was only a matter of time before you left. If I remember correctly, both you and CS firmly denied this. Looks as though they were right.

I don't EVER remember "firmly denying" that "it was only a matter of time before" I left. The fact is, part of the reason I stepped down was exactly what you described -- there have been ongoing issues between me and the UPC. For one thing, we've known for a full year that this vote was coming. I did not want to leave the District without a Superintendent -- remember they had been through that once in the last few years already. It was not a pretty sight, and was a LOT of work on the District Secretary. The current Secretary is a VERY close friend. I refused to put an unnecessary burden on him. I figured it was better to step down then than to cause a problem should this vote pass. That was not my ONLY reason for stepping down, but it was one reason.

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I hope you receive the same honor and respect you gave to the men who left the organization in '92 over the affirmation statement. I don't consider anyone who is leaving now any more a man of character, integrity or conviction than those who left then, though I realize that they ('92 exitees) were widely regarded as compromisers and charasmatics and the group leaving now is said to be men of honor and conviction.

I don't personally remember ever having said anything negative about those who left over the Affirmation Statement. In fact, I believed then -- and now -- that they had a greater sense of integrity than those who stayed in, sign in, but don't abide by (or, in some cases, even BELIEVE) what they sign on to.

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You mentioned just allowing your dues to expire in order to leave the organization. In an earlier post I stated that doing such was a weak way to go. I don't mean to disrespect you, but the method in which you're leaving.

By allowing the card to expire through not paying dues, it relieves you of having to hand in your card and identify yourself as leaving the UPC. Instead, it's the UPC who takes your license because of non-payment of dues.

Understand where I'm going with this?

So instead of it being on record that you handed in your card and left the organization, what will be on record is that the UPC pulled your license because of non-payment of dues. In effect, the UPC - not you - is to blame for your leaving the organization.

Sure it's easier to go out that way - looks better for you too. I believe it's a little weak for such a man of your stature. And while we disagree on many things, I had believed you to be better than this.

You have already corrected yourself on this. My original intent was to let my dues lapse. It was NOT because it "looked better for me." Rather, when a person drops out by sending a letter, the District Board must take action on their decision to leave. It provides the Board with an opportunity to put the man "under question." When a man refuses to pay his dues, however, the "computer" removes him from membership, and no further action is required. It is a "cleaner" way to leave. I was, as Dan put it, "in the valley of decision" for a brief moment in time. I have spoken with some "elders" in my life -- men to whom I look for counsel and direction -- and decided that I will not wait until January. I will, indeed, write a letter to Headquarters informing them of my decision AND the reasons behind it. I do not think the District Board will "put me under question." Nevertheless, if they do, they do. I am just convinced that I MUST go. I will let the "chips fall where they may."

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

God bless you and your family. I wish you the best in years to come.

Thank you. The feeling is mutual.

Sister Alvear · #96 09-30-2007, 02:26 PM

KP May I ask have you always been UPC?

FRINGE_NUTTER · #97 09-30-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

KP May I ask have you always been UPC?

Did I read correctly - was KP the Kansas District Superintendent in recent years?

Kansas Preacher · #98 09-30-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

Did I read correctly, was KP the Kansas District Superintendent in recent years?

I was DS for three years. I did not allow my name to be considered when I was up for reelection in May of this year.

FRINGE_NUTTER · #99 09-30-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

I was DS for three years. I did not allow my name to be considered when I was up for reelection in May of this year.

Brother, my prayers are with you and your family. You have to follow where you believe God leads you. What other choice do you have? I respect your choice.

Kansas Preacher · #**100** 09-30-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

Brother, my prayers are with you and your family. You have to follow where you believe God leads you. What other choice do you have? I respect your choice.

At this point, I plan to remain independent. I am not interested in joining anything else.

I appreciate your prayers, as this is not an easy thing for me. I feel like 35 years of my life have been stripped from me. However, I will go on. Again, thanks for the prayers. I sincerely need them.