Disturbing Trends or Christian Maturity?

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There used to be a Trinity Pentecostal preacher on WLAC on Saturday night and every broadcast was anti-Brownsville he played excerps from their services it was totally wild and absurd. I imagine God didn't even have their address. Bunch of foolishness.

There was a lot of weirdness at Brownsville, because anything like that tends to draw out the flakes. But that's what the media and the opponents all focused on. There really were some true conversions that came out of those meetings, because God's word does not return void, no matter what the setting. Many of the people were sincere and had true life changes.

You shouldn't really judge what happened if you never went, because the reports were mostly biased.

Originally Posted by aquestioninggirl

I know you did not ask me but I wanted to answer this. I would never jump up and run around the house screaming to prove I loved my husband.

We have other emotions that God made us with - I'm not necessarily talking about jumping & running. If you read my previous posts, I said I think we should show a little emotion when we worship God. What emotions people choose to display is their business.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Sissy

We have other emotions that God made us with - I'm not necessarily talking about jumping & running. If you read my previous posts, I said I think we should show a little emotion when we worship God. What emotions people choose to display is their business.

But you do see it as essential to show them, right?

To me it is almost inconsequential to the dynamics of true worship.

Emotions are a part of our human psyche... but to "choose" them, to me would speak of insincerity at best and hypocrisy at worst.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Disturbing Trends?

"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.


Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.


"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given.


We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?

This is what separates the charlatans from those with genuine faith.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

This is what separates the charlatans from those with genuine faith.

Strong words - but your point is well taken.

[NightOwl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Disturbing Trends?

"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.


Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.

"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given


We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?

Stuff lke that has got me questioning how much is real and how much is just a show

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by NightOwl

Stuff lke that has got me questioning how much is real and how much is just a show

Your post would lead some to think this thread is bad and promotes faithlessness... I disagree.

Questioning is not bad. But when you do see and witness God working through the Holy Spirit and you identify it as such get involved! Sometimes the "real" is not in the lights... "...Pure religion and undefiled before God [mother] and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction..."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Disturbing Trends?

"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.


Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.


"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given.


We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?

That happens because the ones that do it are really not what they claim to be....most of Pentecost is really far from the "ideal" that we want and so we end up manufacturing results, rather than waiting on God with prayer and fasting and just believing in Him. BTW what do you mean by addressing the devil in prayer? Didn't Jesus speak to devils? Is that wrong? I mean, in order to rebuke them.

I don't know about cursing sickness...Jesus cursed a tree and it died...is it wrong to curse someone's sickeness and expect it to die?

But the rebuking the devil in tongues? LOL...how do we know what we are saying? What if in tongues we are actually praising God? And then the tongue speaking on signal? That's just bizarre...

I've wanted to post this for a while now, but has anyone ever watched the 700 Club? They have this part where there are two, a man and a woman, and they pray and then they get the word of knowledge..in turns!

One will start and mention there is this person with this condition and God is healing you right now....then when that person is done the other person does the same thing.

Well they had this one time where Pat was praying and there is this young attractive black lady that is his on air assistant/host and she is supposed to be praying and getting a word of knowledge too....so Pat is praying and getting the word of knowledge and he stops because it's her turn, but I guess she is knew or just forgot her lines or whatever so has to remind her and now she got the word of knowledge too an starts telling someone of their condition and that God is healing them...

You know what it seems like to me? People are writting in prayer requests and they are acting like the Lord told them.

Watch it sometime. But that lady forgetting it was her turn was priceless!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That happens because the ones that do it are really not what they claim to be....most of Pentecost is really far from the "ideal" that we want and so we end up manufacturing results, rather than waiting on God with prayer and fasting and just believing in Him. BTW what do you mean by addressing the devil in prayer? Didn't Jesus speak to devils? Is that wrong? I mean, in order to rebuke them.

I don't know about cursing sickness...Jesus cursed a tree and it died...is it wrong to curse someone's sickeness and expect it to die?

But the rebuking the devil in tongues? LOL...how do we know what we are saying? What if in tongues we are actually praising God? And then the tongue speaking on signal? That's just bizarre...

I've wanted to post this for a while now, but has anyone ever watched the 700 Club? They have this part where there are two, a man and a woman, and they pray and then they get the word of knowledge..in turns!

One will start and mention there is this person with this condition and God is healing you right now....then when that person is done the other person does the same thing.

Well they had this one time where Pat was praying and there is this young attractive black lady that is his on air assistant/host and she is supposed to be praying and getting a word of knowledge too....so Pat is praying and getting the word of knowledge and he stops because it's her turn, but I guess she is knew or just forgot her lines or whatever so has to remind her and now she got the word of knowledge too an starts telling someone of their condition and that God is healing them...

You know what it seems like to me? People are writting in prayer requests and they are acting like the Lord told them.

Watch it sometime. But that lady forgetting it was her turn was priceless!

I remember Pat and Sheila Walsh taking turns doing this. Of course trying to shed doubt on people with supposed words of knowledge has gotten me in trouble in the past...........

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That happens because the ones that do it are really not what they claim to be....most of Pentecost is really far from the "ideal" that we want and so we end up manufacturing results, rather than waiting on God with prayer and fasting and just believing in Him. BTW what do you mean by addressing the devil in prayer? Didn't Jesus speak to devils? Is that wrong? I mean, in order to rebuke them.

I don't know about cursing sickness...Jesus cursed a tree and it died...is it wrong to curse someone's sickeness and expect it to die?

But the rebuking the devil in tongues? LOL...how do we know what we are saying? What if in tongues we are actually praising God? And then the tongue speaking on signal? That's just bizarre...

I've wanted to post this for a while now, but has anyone ever watched the 700 Club? They have this part where there are two, a man and a woman, and they pray and then they get the word of knowledge..in turns!

One will start and mention there is this person with this condition and God is healing you right now....then when that person is done the other person does the same thing.

Well they had this one time where Pat was praying and there is this young attractive black lady that is his on air assistant/host and she is supposed to be praying and getting a word of knowledge too....so Pat is praying and getting the word of knowledge and he stops because it's her turn, but I guess she is knew or just forgot her lines or whatever so has to remind her and now she got the word of knowledge too an starts telling someone of their condition and that God is healing them...

You know what it seems like to me? People are writting in prayer requests and they are acting like the Lord told them.

Watch it sometime. But that lady forgetting it was her turn was priceless!

I have observed some "prayers" that started out to God then switched to satan - beyond a rebuke - in the end became a lengthy address admonishing and informing the devil of his current position future destination etc.

Yes everyone instructed and asked to begin speaking in tongues on a given signal. Strange to me.

700 Club? I try to like it - but can't handle the stuff you describe.