Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[JN Anderson]

Daniel:

I believe the greatest question we need ask (to further clarify the topic) should be something like this, "Is Justification equal to salvation?" Is it the same experience. My answer is no.

[seguidordejesus]

I thought Daniel had a job, but it appears that he's at home all the time, from the posting he's been doing.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sabellius

Daniel:

I believe the greatest question we need ask (to further clarify the topic) should be something like this, "Is Justification equal to salvation?" Is it the same experience. My answer is no.

Sabellius please present your case ... Explain justification ... remission and how they correlate to salvation. I know you are a SEAGRAVIAN PAJCer.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

I thought Daniel had a job, but it appears that he's at home all the time, from the posting he's been doing.

You're lurking and not posting.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

However you want to slice it, they had no access to the benefits of the covenant without it. None.

Circumcision was pretty much a cut and dried issue...no pun intended.

Joshua 5:1-8, seems like circumcision was not done during the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You're lurking and not posting.

My wife's sick with the flu, so I'm busy

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sabellius please present your case ... Explain justification ... remission and how they correlate to salvation. I know you are a SEAGRAVIAN PAJCer.

I thought I did, somewhat at least. What, in particular, are you interested in knowing?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sam

Joshua 5:1-8, seems like circumcision was not done during the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness.

Give them Heaven, Sam.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Not sure what your real question is ... are you asking if I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost before I was water baptized ... yes ... I was FILLED BUT I GUESS I WASNT CLEAN LIKE MY BROTHER EPLEY SO ELOQUENTLY POINTED OUT when he used the 10 virgins example.

Originally Posted by J-Roc

You are born again at repentance when you place your faith in Jesus Christ and trust that his sacrifice on the cross is enough to wash away your sins...the baptism is for empowerment among other things...a wonderful experience for the Believer!

Originally Posted by stmatthew

How do you guys reconcile your thoughts with Acts 2:38 where it says that one repents, is water baptised, and receives the gift (not Baptized as you believe 2 different works) of the Spirit, and then labels this gift the Promise.

Since this scripture conveys the idea that everyone does not receive this gift or promise of the Spirit at repentance, and that most receive this gift after water baptism, would not this mean that everyone is not born again when they repent?

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I may have confused you with my post, so let me ask this, when does one receive the gift or promise of the Spirit?

Bumpity bump

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Sam

Joshua 5:1-8, seems like circumcision was not done during the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness.

During the time they were dropping like flies?