Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?

[shag]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

To those of you who are saved, may I ask you a couple of simple questions?

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit of the same God that made the worlds and everything else, as well as mankind, is living right there inside your physical body???? YES or NO?

If so, then how is it possible for any saved person to ever be sick or injured, with all that power living right there inside your physical body?

I have answers, but first I'd like to hear how you answer these two questions.

1. Yes
2. Apostle Paul got sick (Gal. 4:13)

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

(Acts 3: 12) Peter said, It was not his own power or holiness that made the lame man whole. It was Jesus' name, through faith in His name. (vvs, 12)

Faith is only the bridge which allows salvation, health, healing and provision to flow from our spirit in to our fleshly bodies.

Jesus healed them ALL, they just didn't receive it. It was up to them to bridge the gap between spirit, soul and body, by faith in His name.

Don't use the fleshly senses to judge the spiritual word of God.

God ministered healing to everyone of them, in their spirits, just like He ministers salvation to every believer's spirit. It's up to each individual to renew their mind to the truth of the word. (Rom 12:2) e.i.: believe it. (faith).

And how did this work with those Jesus raised from the dead? And what of those He healed who were not in their right mind?

How does one know they are healed if they can't user their "fleshly senses"?

Bro-Larry, what you're saying here may look good to you on paper, but it doesn't fly in reality.

Living in Jesus' kingdom isn't about getting loaves and fishes. It's about commitment to Jesus Christ that may be tested with physical pain or death. The Church is His sheep. As such it is killed and slaughtered every day (See Rom 8:36). That doesn't mean those perishing are out of God's will, or that they did not receive faith for their healing. It does mean that whatever happens is simply God's will (See Phi 2:13)!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

And how did this work with those Jesus raised from the dead? And what of those He healed who were not in their right mind?

How does one know they are healed if they can't user their "fleshly senses"?

Bro-Larry, what you're saying here may look good to you on paper, but it doesn't fly in reality.

Living in Jesus' kingdom isn't about getting loaves and fishes. It's about commitment to Jesus Christ that may be tested with physical pain or death. The Church is His sheep. As such it is killed and slaughtered every day (See Rom 8:36). That doesn't mean those perishing are out of God's will, or that they did not receive faith for their healing. It does mean that whatever happens is simply God's will (See Phi 2:13)!

Bro Burk,

I think the difference being seen here is that some of us believe that God has already revealed in his Word what His will is concerning healing of our bodies.


To me, it was very plainly stated what Gods will is when through Isaiah he spoke the prophecy that:

Isa 53:4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted. (YLT)

Why would it be Gods will for me to continue to carry something that he has already bore for me? The Greek word for saved is Sozo, and is used interchangeably with "being made whole" and being "healed". I find that Gods will is very clear as to his provision for healing being available to anyone that comes in faith. He says plainly, "I WILL".

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I do not believe in begging God either. The prophets of Baal begged him to consume their sacrifice, but he did not answer. Elijah simply called upon God and the fire fell.

But I also believe you have to know God’s will to pray properly. I believe that is what Peter was doing. The Bible shows both healings and non-healings being part of God's plan. Sometimes He delivers and sometimes He does not. What we are called to do is trust Him and His sovereign plan unconditionally.

So you can't depend on God to always do what he said He did? Sounds like schizophrenia to me. You believe He is erratic in His deliveries.

The two people in all the gospels whom Jesus said had great faith, were both gentiles. The Syro-Phonecian woman and the Roman centurian, whose servant was healed of the palsy. They weren't all tangled up in questions about the keeping of the law. They had no condemnation about their not having been good enough or not keeping all the rules and regulations. They just took Jesus at His word, and received.

What did Jesus mean in (Lk 4:25-27) when He said there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, but unto none of them was the prophet sent?
and:
There were many lepers in Israel at the time of Elisha, but none were cleansed except Naman the Syrian? They (Israel) were in unbelief.

They (the people in the synagoge at Nazareth) knew He was insulting them, that's why there got mad enough to kill Him.

[stmatthew]

Let me add that I do not see a guarantee that we will always be raised up from every accident or tragedy that takes place. There are times God will take a life through a car wreck, or some other tragedy. But I do see a solid standing in the Word of God that we do not have to receive disease or sickness, and if it should come upon us, we can go to the Great Physician and be healed of such. Gods desire is that we are satisfied with long life, and that our parting from this life be one of peace.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by shag

1. Yes
2. Apostle Paul got sick (Gal. 4:13)

The Greek says that "through unfirmness of the flesh, I bring the wellness message to you."

Says nothing about Paul being sick.

[TK Burk]

So stmatthew and Bro-Larry, neither of you, nor any in your family, wear glasses, or go to the dentist, or ever take Tylenol for a headache, right?

[shag]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

The Greek says that "through unfirmness of the flesh, I bring the wellness message to you."

Says nothing about Paul being sick.

Gal. 4:13
ISV
You know that it was because I was ill that I brought you the gospel the first time.

NASV
but you know that it was because of a bodily illness that I preached the gospel to you the first time;

GWT
You know that the first time I brought you the Good News I was ill.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

13. how through infirmity-rather, as Greek, "Ye know that because of an infirmity of my flesh I preached," He implies that bodily sickness, having detained him among them, contrary to his original intentions, was the occasion of his preaching the Gospel to them.

Do you believe that Jesus and the apostles never got sick?

Where exactly, does this verse fit in:
1 Corinthians 12:9 NKJV ... to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,

[Withdrawn]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Hmm, maybe I asked the wrong question?

You could be right. You might be asking the wrong question. It's not hard for God to do miracles. That's not the issue. The problem is that I believe he expects US to do them!

I'm not going to say that we're turning things upside down in my area, but we're getting there. If you read the New Testament carefully, and see the things the apostles and early church did, you'll see a pretty vast difference between what they did (and their results) and what we're doing that's failing.

There are two main words used in the New Testament that are translated in King James as "authority." They are "DUNAMIS", and "EXOUSIA". Dunamis is the mighty, miraculous power of God. Exousia is the authority of God. The church needs to wake up and see that WE HAVE POWER AND AUTHORITY. Authority without power is useless. And power without authority is suspect. I might have power because I'm aiming a gun at your head, but if I don't have authority to use the gun (power), I'm nothing more than a criminal. The baptism of the Holy Ghost and taking His Name in water baptism gives us both the DUNAMIS and the EXOUSIA.

Acts 1.8
But ye shall receive power (DUNAMIS), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Luke 10.19
Behold, I give unto you power (EXOUSIA) to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power (EXOUSIA) of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

If you look at how the church behaved in the Book of Acts, you'll see something amazing. You'll NEVER read of a healing in the New Testament where anyone was screaming and praying saying "Oh, gawd, heal this woman of this disease by your power!" The focus of their prayer was the disease. They spoke to the disease, using the authority and power that God had given to them. They weren't asking God to do it. They were doing it because they knew they had the power and authority to do it themselves.

I can tell you that since this revelation, we are making a difference and starting to see the fruits of it. It's intimidating, I'll admit. And sometimes we still hold back for fear of appearing to be nutty or fanatical. But in those times where we break free from that, and believe God will back us up when we follow His leading, He comes through. You'll not find anyplace in scripture where Jesus refused to heal someone because it wasn't His will. The story of Lazarus was a little different because of a specific purpose He had, but the outcome was the same. Why should we expect anything different? He's the same God! We have the same power and authority they had. Jesus said "greater works than these shall ye do."

God Bless!

[shag]

Originally Posted by jaamez

You could be right. You might be asking the wrong question. It's not hard for God to do miracles. That's not the issue. The problem is that I believe he expects US to do them!

I'm not going to say that we're turning things upside down in my area, but we're getting there. If you read the New Testament carefully, and see the things the apostles and early church did, you'll see a pretty vast difference between what they did (and their results) and what we're doing that's failing.

There are two main words used in the New Testament that are translated in King James as "authority." They are "DUNAMIS", and "EXOUSIA". Dunamis is the mighty, miraculous power of God. Exousia is the authority of God. The church needs to wake up and see that WE HAVE POWER AND AUTHORITY. Authority without power is useless. And power without authority is suspect. I might have power because I'm aiming a gun at your head, but if I don't have authority to use the gun (power), I'm nothing more than a criminal. The baptism of the Holy Ghost and taking His Name in water baptism gives us both the DUNAMIS and the EXOUSIA.

Acts 1.8
But ye shall receive power (DUNAMIS), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Luke 10.19
Behold, I give unto you power (EXOUSIA) to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power (EXOUSIA) of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

If you look at how the church behaved in the Book of Acts, you'll see something amazing. You'll NEVER read of a healing in the New Testament where anyone was screaming and praying saying "Oh, gawd, heal this woman of this disease by your power!" The focus of their prayer was the disease. They spoke to the disease, using the authority and power that God had given to them. They weren't asking God to do it. They were doing it because they knew they had the power and authority to do it themselves.

I can tell you that since this revelation, we are making a difference and starting to see the fruits of it. It's intimidating, I'll admit. And sometimes we still hold back for fear of appearing to be nutty or fanatical. But in those times where we break free from that, and believe God will back us up when we follow His leading, He comes through. You'll not find anyplace in scripture where Jesus refused to heal someone because it wasn't His will. The story of Lazarus was a little different because of a specific purpose He had, but the outcome was the same. Why should we expect anything different? He's the same God! We have the same power and authority they had. Jesus said "greater works than these shall ye do."

God Bless!

Good post jaamez. Good points made.