the mess in korea and the concessions made by the clinton admin are just that a mess, made it worse, you can talk all you want with this liberal jargon, lets understand them, we dont know what there intents are, etc, bottom line we know from there past behavior they are a rogue nation, carter is a nut, my opinion, and i am still not voting for any presidential candidate that wants to raise my taxes and wont protect unborn innocents, bye, dt
I don’t know why you assume I think we should get to know and understand N. Korea. We’ve known them quite well and have already been at war with them. I’m only saying that the failure of the NK negotiations prove that the United States tried to lead the way with regards to arms reduction in the region. NK’s actions prove to the world that it’s not us perpetuating this…it’s them. Also if you look increased sanctions were issued against NK from around the world. Politically we walked away with our head up. We tried. They lied.
Though the deal was obviously broken by the NKs did it avert a military confrontation?
Your taxes, your taxes. LOL
Healthcare is a big deal in this election. Here’s the difference between you and me. You don’t want the government raising your taxes and negotiating lower premiums to ultimately reduce your overall spending with regards to health insurance. The average American family could end up saving $200 a month with some of the ideas the Democrats favor. You’d rather pay at least twice as much for a private insurance system that leaves nearly 50% of Americans underinsured? Hey…if they pass the Democratic plan and prices fall and premiums are negotiated and you start saving money each month…feel free to mail it to my family. LOL
When it comes to abortion….neither party can do anything about it. No Supreme Court is going to criminalize women or doctors who procure or perform abortions. What do the courts do with violators? Arrest them? Execute them? Bro…here’s a dose of painful reality, legal abortion’s here and it’s not going anywhere. The position of our nation has become choice and that’s never going to change regardless as to who’s President. Oh, Republicans will use it to manipulate our religious convictions to get us clapping like seals and barking their praises for the election…but the Republicans aren’t going to do a thing about it. So we have to understand that we are living in a pro-choice nation, in fact, a pro-choice world. It seems like God has permitted governments to pass the moral choice of the matter down to the individual. Why? In a pro-choice world there’s only one thing that will reduce abortion, preaching the gospel. The gospel is all about choices. By preaching the gospel we shape and influence people’s choices. But sadly, even with us preaching the gospel many will still choose abortion.
Here’s something, I think Satan loves abortion politics. Christians spend more time and money trying to end abortion politically than we do preaching the gospel. Abortion politics becomes a distraction. It also polarizes us, thereby keeping us from addressing problems that we in fact have the power to change. This world is not our home. This world’s ways have never and will never align with God’s ways this side of Christ’s return.
Please note: America’s abortion rate is still rather high for most Western countries (please note America doesn’t provide the same social infrastructure as most Western Countries). But even with the abortion rate as high as it is, the abortion rate per every 1000 pregnancies is still lower today (with abortion legal) than it was in 1972 (with abortion illegal). So laws don’t affect abortion rates. You can ban it two or three times in a row, yep, triple ban it…but the abortion rate will most likely not change one bit. You have to address the issues women who are choosing abortion face. Guess what…most women who procure abortion live near or below the poverty level. Most women who procure abortion…don’t have health insurance. Most women who procure abortion don’t make a living wage. Most are minorities. Abortion is a moral abomination that is married to poverty. Belgium has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world. They’ve addressed the issues poor women face. Issues like health insurance, day care costs, and living wages. It all comes down to this…if it will cost us in taxes to fund social programs to help reduce the abortion rates…many who claim to be “pro-life” don’t care how many babies get aborted. They’d rather save their precious money. They ease their conscience by re-assuring themselves that they fought to pass a “law”. Even if we banned abortion today, knowing what I know, we’d still need the social infrastructure to reduce the abortion rate among poor women. Eventually we’ll have to address the issues of unwed mothers, unplanned pregnancies, the lack of health insurance, mother’s who are “working poor” being unable to afford day care, and wages.
I know a guy who works for the city. The man is an awesome mechanical maintenance technician. We were talking about universal health insurance yesterday. In the conversation we talked about how if they passed a universal health insurance program the city would drop the current plan we’re on. He said, “I know this much. I wouldn’t work for the city.” I said, “Really? You like our plan that much?” He said laughing, “No. I’d leave because with universal health insurance I’d go into business for myself. I only keep this job because I need the benefits and couldn’t afford health insurance if I went into business for myself right now.” That’s something else to consider. With universal health insurance how many “wage slaves” would choose to become self employed?
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chris save your tirades for someone who cares, i meant what i said, and your comment about my taxes isnt funny, yeah i pay taxes lots of them to much, taxation is punitive in my case, vote for whoever you want, once again people cant talk to you without you wanting a govt handout, i dont want any, just dont take what i work for, dt
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I don’t know why you assume I think we should get to know and understand N. Korea. We’ve known them quite well and have already been at war with them. I’m only saying that the failure of the NK negotiations prove that the United States tried to lead the way with regards to arms reduction in the region. NK’s actions prove to the world that it’s not us perpetuating this…it’s them. Also if you look increased sanctions were issued against NK from around the world. Politically we walked away with our head up. We tried. They lied.
Though the deal was obviously broken by the NKs did it avert a military confrontation?
Your taxes, your taxes. LOL
Healthcare is a big deal in this election. Here’s the difference between you and me. You don’t want the government raising your taxes and negotiating lower premiums to ultimately reduce your overall spending with regards to health insurance. The average American family could end up saving $200 a month with some of the ideas the Democrats favor. You’d rather pay at least twice as much for a private insurance system that leaves nearly 50% of Americans underinsured? Hey…if they pass the Democratic plan and prices fall and premiums are negotiated and you start saving money each month…feel free to mail it to my family. LOL
When it comes to abortion….neither party can do anything about it. No Supreme Court is going to criminalize women or doctors who procure or perform abortions. What do the courts do with violators? Arrest them? Execute them? Bro…here’s a dose of painful reality, legal abortion’s here and it’s not going anywhere. The position of our nation has become choice and that’s never going to change regardless as to who’s President. Oh, Republicans will use it to manipulate our religious convictions to get us clapping like seals and barking their praises for the election…but the Republicans aren’t going to do a thing about it. So we have to understand that we are living in a pro-choice nation, in fact, a pro-choice world. It seems like God has permitted governments to pass the moral choice of the matter down to the individual. Why? In a pro-choice world there’s only one thing that will reduce abortion, preaching the gospel. The gospel is all about choices. By preaching the gospel we shape and influence people’s choices. But sadly, even with us preaching the gospel many will still choose abortion.
Here’s something, I think Satan loves abortion politics. Christians spend more time and money trying to end abortion politically than we do preaching the gospel. Abortion politics becomes a distraction. It also polarizes us, thereby keeping us from addressing problems that we in fact have the power to change. This world is not our home. This world’s ways have never and will never align with God’s ways this side of Christ’s return.
Please note: America’s abortion rate is still rather high for most Western countries (please note America doesn’t provide the same social infrastructure as most Western Countries). But even with the abortion rate as high as it is, the abortion rate per every 1000 pregnancies is still lower today (with abortion legal) than it was in 1972 (with abortion illegal). So laws don’t affect abortion rates. You can ban it two or three times in a row, yep, triple ban it…but the abortion rate will most likely not change one bit. You have to address the issues women who are choosing abortion face. Guess what…most women who procure abortion live near or below the poverty level. Most women who procure abortion…don’t have health insurance. Most women who procure abortion don’t make a living wage. Most are minorities. Abortion is a moral abomination that is married to poverty. Belgium has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world. They’ve addressed the issues poor women face. Issues like health insurance, day care costs, and living wages. It all comes down to this…if it will cost us in taxes to fund social programs to help reduce the abortion rates…many who claim to be “pro-life” don’t care how many babies get aborted. They’d rather save their precious money. They ease their conscience by re-assuring themselves that they fought to pass a “law”. Even if we banned abortion today, knowing what I know, we’d still need the social infrastructure to reduce the abortion rate among poor women. Eventually we’ll have to address the issues of unwed mothers, unplanned pregnancies, the lack of health insurance, mother’s who are “working poor” being unable to afford day care, and wages.
I know a guy who works for the city. The man is an awesome mechanical maintenance technician. We were talking about universal health insurance yesterday. In the conversation we talked about how if they passed a universal health insurance program the city would drop the current plan we’re on. He said, “I know this much. I wouldn’t work for the city.” I said, “Really? You like our plan that much?” He said laughing, “No. I’d leave because with universal health insurance I’d go into business for myself. I only keep this job because I need the benefits and couldn’t afford health insurance if I went into business for myself right now.” That’s something else to consider. With universal health insurance how many “wage slaves” would choose to become self employed?
I can't believe this.America has always been a free market economy that's why we have the greatest nation in the world and the best economy.When the goverment puts retrictions on things is when they mess up everything.You need to listen to Limbaugh or Sean Hannity,somebody is influencing you in the wrong way.
Instead of reading rightwing propaganda they should read a bit about America’s real history. For example, in a “free market economy” there are few restrictions on corporations, business, or trade. Our founding fathers placed STRONG restrictions on corporations in America. Here’s an example of some of the laws restricting corporations found throughout the states prior to the late 1800’s:
* Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
* Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
* Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
* Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
Laws like these were to restrain corporate power in the United States.
When it comes to taxation our nation originally funded the government with taxes on corporations, tariffs, and excise taxes on trade (especially in international trade). They didn’t have an income tax on individuals, taxes were levied on…business and trade.
As corporations began to grow in political power rulings and laws favoring corporate personhood began to be seen across the US. Many began to fear corporate power. Abraham Lincoln once said:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)
And that is what we are suffering from this very moment!
Please note, there used to be banking regulations restricting the kind of lending that has created the current lending crisis that is undermining the economy and property values from coast to coast. Lobbyists working for the lending industry fought for deregulation so they could lend to a broader base of customers. Had we maintained the government regulations we had…this wouldn’t be happening.
As for having the best nation and economy…best nation of people, yes…best economy, no. The dollar is down below the socialist Euro and Canadian loony. Some on the international scene aren't even accepting American currency right now.
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Because most of the people who would need to read it don't have the attention span to read an internet forum post less than 10,000 characters long.
LOL
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Its posts like this that reminds me that many conservatives are glaringly ignorant of our history and how our nation works. Instead of reading rightwing propaganda they should read a bit about America’s real history. For example, in a “free market economy” there are few restrictions on corporations, business, or trade. Our founding fathers placed STRONG restrictions on corporations in America. Here’s an example of some of the laws restricting corporations found throughout the states prior to the late 1800’s:
* Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
* Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
* Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
* Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
Laws like these were to restrain corporate power in the United States.
When it comes to taxation our nation originally funded the government with taxes on corporations, tariffs, and excise taxes on trade (especially in international trade). They didn’t have an income tax on individuals, taxes were levied on…business and trade.
As corporations began to grow in political power rulings and laws favoring corporate personhood began to be seen across the US. Many began to fear corporate power. Abraham Lincoln once said:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)
And that is what we are suffering from this very moment!
Please note, there used to be banking regulations restricting the kind of lending that has created the current lending crisis that is undermining the economy and property values from coast to coast. Lobbyists working for the lending industry fought for deregulation so they could lend to a broader base of customers. Had we maintained the government regulations we had…this wouldn’t be happening.
As for having the best nation and economy…best nation of people, yes…best economy, no. The dollar is down below the socialist Euro and Canadian loony. Some on the international scene aren't even accepting American currency right now.
we covered this several months ago. you cannot compare corporations in the 18th century to corporations today. these are vastly diffrent things.
what the founders were afraid of, is something vastly different than what Exxon is today.
i aint wasting my breath restating the case.
just google East India Comany, Hudson Bay Company etc.
you will see what the founders were guarding against.
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I see "Free Market Economy" and "Communism" the same way...the both sound good on paper but don't work in practice. Those who are dogmatic purists don't see this, but hey, that's the way it's always been. So I prefer "Fair Trade" over "Free Trade" and a "Mixed Economy". Also I see things in a state of flux. There are times in a mixed economy to lighten up on regulation and lean toward a more open market...then there are times to tighten the belt so to speak.
I still believe that a free market economy is the best path to prosperity.
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we covered this several months ago. you cannot compare corporations in the 18th century to corporations today. these are vastly diffrent things.
what the founders were afraid of, is something vastly different than what Exxon is today.
i aint wasting my breath restating the case.
just google East India Comany, Hudson Bay Company etc.
you will see what the founders were guarding against.
Ferd, Ferd, Ferd,
The founders were afraid of corporate power undermining the integrity of government and the prosperity of the American people. Like Lincoln so eloquently described as the majority of the nation’s wealth of our nation being aggregated into the hands of a very few. Yes, in our founders time the primary concerns were the East India Company and the Hudson Bay Company. So yes, these laws directly addressed them. However, as history will show you these laws were used time and time again against corporations seeking to monopolize or corner the market, if my memory serves me correctly there was a very bitter and lengthy political battle with private railroad companies who desired to fund politicians to get laws passed in their favor. These laws were used to curtail corporate power of AMERICAN companies well into the latter half of the 1800’s. Until the Supreme Court was essentially bribed to rule in favor of corporate personhood. The issue at state is the power of money in a Democracy. Without sound laws restraining corporate power in politics the politicians will work for the corporations….not the American people. You of all people should know this. Ultimately the issue was to protect the government of the people, by the people, and for the people from becoming the government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation.
Also in regards to taxation. The majority of taxes were paid through taxes on property, trade, tariffs, and excise taxes. Essentially taxes weren’t levied on individuals, taxes were on business. Corporations have reversed a lot of this. They’ve slowly built themselves tax shelters by contributing to politicians who will favor them and slowly down through the decades more and more cost of government was levied against individuals in the form of income taxes. That’s why corporations were big on individual income taxes when the Amendment was passed.
As for Exxon. I don’t think Exxon is a problem. Exxon is just an oil company. The real trouble makers today are corporations like Halliburton and those corporate conglomerates that aren’t house hold names.
****News Flash****
I just heard a news story on record costs for food and how it is not only effect us but poor nations throughout the world. This is beginning to sound like the book of Revelation….
“{6:5} And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. {6:6} And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” – Revelation 6:5-6
I firmly believe that the Antichrist will rule through uniting global corporate bodies. They have the money, not the UN or democracies throughout the world. They could use their money and power to influence and destabilize democracies throughout the world. And when they meet in secrete…I assure you it’s not about what’s in our best interests.
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dont you think that blame haliburton thing is gettin a little old, some people shoudnt talk about stuff they dont understand, lol, dt
Do you realize the absolute waste in tax dollars we've put forward in contracts with Halliburton? For those wanting to know more about Halliburton and war profiteering please watch the following documentary:
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