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02-12-2008, 02:25 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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I asked you what you meant...lol...I can't respond, if I don't fully understand your point.
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missbratti,
you can not have two husbands or two fathers and not be confused.
If Timothy had Paul as his father in Christ, it was Timothy's only father in Christ. Otherwise, Paul was the introducing a confusion of faces. I do not believe this was the case.
Servant guides are a great blessing from God but lets not given them weird spiritual husband-like positions in the lives of the women within an assembly.
My effort has been to illuminate a POV that, if from the beginning of their spiritual walk, men were fully regarded as the true appointed vessel for spiritual oversight within their families, they probably would be.
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02-12-2008, 02:26 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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missbratti,
you can not have two husbands or two fathers and not be confused.
If Timothy had Paul as his father in Christ, it was Timothy's only father in Christ. Otherwise, Paul was the introducing a confusion of faces. I do not believe this was the case.
Servant guides are a great blessing from God but lets not given them weird spiritual husband-like positions in the lives of the women within an assembly.
My effort has been to illuminate a POV that, if from the beginning of their spiritual walk, men were fully regarded as the true appointed vessel for spiritual oversight within their families, they probably would be.
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Awesome! Yes!!!
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02-12-2008, 02:31 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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missbratti,
you can not have two husbands or two fathers and not be confused.
If Timothy had Paul as his father in Christ, it was Timothy's only father in Christ. Otherwise, Paul was the introducing a confusion of faces. I do not believe this was the case.
Servant guides are a great blessing from God but lets not given them weird spiritual husband-like positions in the lives of the women within an assembly.
My effort has been to illuminate a POV that, if from the beginning of their spiritual walk, men were fully regarded as the true appointed vessel for spiritual oversight within their families, they probably would be.
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I see what you're saying--I think--but my point is that if men would be the spiritual leaders in their families, there would be no need for pastors to be any sort of substitute, or for women to seek anointed leadership elsewhere.
We're just looking at different sides of the same coin. I think that there are some pastors who do step in and cause division in families--I've seen it happen. I don't think its common, though, especially not intentionally.
Others, though, are just taking up the slack for men who want to watch tv all week, lie on the couch, neglect their spiritual lives and only pray on Sunday mornings. If my husband didn't pray on a regular basis and keep a spiritual frame of mind, why would I want to consult him on spiritual issues?
I'm interested in being led by spiritual people.
Further, what about a woman whose husband is an unbeliever? She still needs to respect her husband, but at the same time, he will not be the spiritual guide for their home. In many cases, he may perceive her following teachings from the Word of God as following "that preacher", when in fact she is following God, so that is a misconception on the part of the husband.
If my pastor teaches something from God's Word that is clearly right, and my husband contradicts it and/or instructs me not to follow it--if I follow the teaching anyway, am I obeying my pastor or obeying God's Word? And is the conflict between my husband and the pastor or my husband and scripture?
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02-12-2008, 02:41 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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02-12-2008, 02:41 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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We're just looking at different sides of the same coin. I think that there are some pastors who do step in and cause division in families--I've seen it happen. I don't think its common, though, especially not intentionally.
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Abigail,
I was agreeing with tbpew on this point as it has been common in my experience.
Was glad to see his points voiced. That could be another whole thread in itself.
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02-12-2008, 02:43 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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oh my goodness i almost spit up, lol,dt  |
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I know!!! I was thinking earlier, we need a smiley that is spitting something out of it's mouth.
Wait. That would be gross. Bad idea!
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02-12-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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Abigail,
I was agreeing with tbpew on this point as it has been common in my experience.
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Common that pastors come between the husband and wife? On purpose or unintentionally?
Can you give examples? The ones I know of are fairly extreme....
I have seen a husband fear his wife's submission to church teachings or leadership, and try to detract from that or try to prevent her from doing so. There is an issue there that should be addressed, because in my opinion, there aren't many good reasons for a man to do this unless the church is a cult and has teachings that need to be feared and avoided.
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Was glad to see his points voiced. That could be another whole thread in itself.
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I agree, and an interesting one.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-12-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
miss bratti,
I can certainly embrace and agree with the thoughtfulness and pragmatism represented in your post#93.
A perspective that you may not share (and I am ready to agree to disagree):
1.I believe that a majority of the apostolic pastors view themselves in a role of 'the local church father'.
2. If they are, they have children
3. Those children already have fathers.
4. Those children now have two influential roles that they are likely being instructed to obey.
5. A double-mindedness is given occassion
6. double-mindedness establishes instability.
the same sequence of thought can be applied for the church husband and his wives.
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02-12-2008, 02:49 PM
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
miss bratti,
in the church I attend do I have the role of wife and mother within the calling and election of the senior/founding pastor that has the rule?
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Re: Why does it seem that men are obsessed here...
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Originally Posted by tbpew
miss bratti,
I can certainly embrace and agree with the thoughtfulness and pragmatism represented in your post#93.
A perspective that you may not share (and I am ready to agree to disagree):
1.I believe that a majority of the apostolic pastors view themselves in a role of 'the local church father'.
2. If they are, they have children
3. Those children already have fathers.
4. Those children now have two influential roles that they are likely being instructed to obey.
5. A double-mindedness is given occassion
6. double-mindedness establishes instability.
the same sequence of thought can be applied for the church husband and his wives.
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I totally agree with you here. Thanks for articulating it so well!
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