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10-07-2010, 08:11 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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And do you have anything other than your opinion to point to?
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Nope. 
Do you have anything other than your opinion to point to when you say that God must not be all-loving or all-powerful "if" He allows pain to exist in the world?
Since He obviously DOES allow pain to exist in the world, then which is it, in your opinion? Is He lacking power or lacking love?
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10-07-2010, 08:14 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Nope.
Do you have anything other than your opinion to point to when you say that God must not be all-loving or all-powerful "if" He allows pain to exist in the world?
Since He obviously DOES allow pain to exist in the world, then which is it, in your opinion? Is He lacking power or lacking love? |
No No No...if you recall that was your statement I simply followed it to the logical end.
Yes, logic. But apparently only your opinion counts, you make a good post-modern.
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10-07-2010, 08:24 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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No No No...if you recall that was your statement I simply followed it to the logical end.
Yes, logic. But apparently only your opinion counts, you make a good post-modern.
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I never said only my opinion counted. I guess to back up my statement...I have faith that God is good and loving, and scripture gives that faith backbone. I also see in scripture where He has always exercised judgment AND has allowed suffering, so I feel that I must assume the two aren't contradictory.
You're the one who stated that there were only two options regarding God allowing evil/pain in the world. Since we know that He does allow evil/pain to exist in the world, then is it because He lacks love for humanity or lacks the power to stop it?
I definitely believe we are inferior to God in knowledge & power, and therefore can't possibly expect to play by His rules. (With the exception of the rules He has commanded us to follow.) How is that contradictory? Do you believe we have the same knowledge, power and authority as God?
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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10-07-2010, 10:34 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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No. The news said:
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Reavis, whose fire department was not the one involved with the home burning, said it is not firefighters' fault the Cranick home burned...
Reavis said he operates his all-volunteer, unpaid fire department on $8,000 a year.
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No where was the South Fulton Fire Department Described as volunteer.
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10-08-2010, 12:50 AM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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10-12-2010, 09:02 AM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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The Humane Society of the United States is issuing the following statement in response to the heartbreaking news that four animals died in an Obion County, Tenn., fire because the homeowner didn’t pay a service fee, and firefighters were told they could not extinguish the blaze:
"It is inexcusable that three dogs and a cat would have to die in such a horrible way, with firefighters ordered to not intervene, because of an unpaid $75 service fee. Putting out fires is a matter of life and death for people and animals, and South Fulton city officials should quickly reconsider their emergency response policies before others are put at risk," said Leighann McCollum, Tennessee state director for The HSUS.
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In a secular world, crimes against critters are THE BIG DEAL
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10-12-2010, 03:56 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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In a secular world, crimes against critters are THE BIG DEAL
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Well, to be fair this was a statement issued by an organization that exists to protect animals from abuse.
On the other hand,since they are humans and they seek to be humane they should first of all acknowledge that several humans could have been hurt or killed and lost their home in the process
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-12-2010, 04:48 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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In a secular world, crimes against critters are THE BIG DEAL
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I was initially irritated over the way the Vick case was handled.
However, he had been warned repeatedly that he was breaking the law and that he was being watched.
Most people who do crimes against animals know they are wrong. They just don't see the big deal.
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