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10-04-2010, 04:51 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Yeah, even though it's tragic either way, I hope it wasn't intentional.
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It would take an extremely sadistic, twisted, messed up person to do that on purpose. I just can't believe this has ever been done on purpose.
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10-04-2010, 04:53 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
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Simply no excuses.
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I don't think any excuses are being offered.
Inexcusable? Yes. Unforgivable? No.
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10-04-2010, 05:06 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
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A doctor here in Little Rock left his baby in the car, luckly my wife who manages the WalMart where he went in found her and broke out the window to pull her out.
This happens more than reported to people of all walks of life, any particular reason you felt the need to point out that this was an "apostolic pastor" ?
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10-04-2010, 05:13 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
What a TERRIBLE tragedy. DA is right; there aren't any good excuses, but even good parents do stupid, thoughtless, absent-minded things sometimes.
I would be more angry if it was on purpose for convenience sake, such as leaving a child in the car while you run into the grocery store. This sounds like the Dad forgot she was even in the car. She may have fallen asleep on the way to church, he may have been thinking about other things, etc. Tragic, negligent and preventable, but probably not intentionally malicious. 
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10-04-2010, 05:17 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
I think anybody who has raised children realizes how easy it is for things that seem crazy to happen.
When My daughter was a baby / toddler and we lived in Austin Texas we drove home from church one hot Sunday afternoon as usual. We pulled the car in the garage and went into the house. I thought my wife had brought the baby in and she thought I had.
Thankfully after a few short minutes we realized our daughter was not in the house and we raced to the garage. It was over 100 degrees in there and no telling how hot in that car. She was crying loudly still strapped in her car seat.
That and an instance of my son at two years old escaping out the front door of our house and running out into the street before we knew it (a neighbor had come in to borrow eggs or sugar) made me a lot more understanding of how these type tragedies happen.
This of course does not excuse things like the woman a week or two ago who wanted to go party at a friends house so put her four or six kids in a tiny closet and jammed a chair against the doorknob so they could not get out while she was gone. Two of them died from asphyxiation by the time she got home. Idiot woman didn't realize living things need air I guess.
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10-04-2010, 05:38 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
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This of course does not excuse things like the woman a week or two ago who wanted to go party at a friends house so put her four or six kids in a tiny closet and jammed a chair against the doorknob so they could not get out while she was gone. Two of them died from asphyxiation by the time she got home. Idiot woman didn't realize living things need air I guess.
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CC1,
In that case, I thought I read ALL of her children died.
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10-04-2010, 06:07 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
We had a family many years ago in our church who had alot of children. When their newest baby was born they brought her to church the first Sunday she was home. At the end of the service, they packed up all the kids and drove home. Only after they got there did someone finally notice that there was no baby to carry in. Ooops!
Is that much different than what happened in this situation?
You're all right. This is totally inexcusable. This poor man will have to live with this for the rest of his life. I can't even imagine how I could forgive myself if I did something like this. But he doesn't need MY judgment. I just feel so terrible for him. He will be in my prayers.
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10-04-2010, 06:29 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
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We had a family many years ago in our church who had alot of children. When their newest baby was born they brought her to church the first Sunday she was home. At the end of the service, they packed up all the kids and drove home. Only after they got there did someone finally notice that there was no baby to carry in. Ooops!
Is that much different than what happened in this situation?
You're all right. This is totally inexcusable. This poor man will have to live with this for the rest of his life. I can't even imagine how I could forgive myself if I did something like this. But he doesn't need MY judgment. I just feel so terrible for him. He will be in my prayers.
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10-04-2010, 06:56 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
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Originally Posted by CC1
I think anybody who has raised children realizes how easy it is for things that seem crazy to happen.
When My daughter was a baby / toddler and we lived in Austin Texas we drove home from church one hot Sunday afternoon as usual. We pulled the car in the garage and went into the house. I thought my wife had brought the baby in and she thought I had.
Thankfully after a few short minutes we realized our daughter was not in the house and we raced to the garage. It was over 100 degrees in there and no telling how hot in that car. She was crying loudly still strapped in her car seat.
That and an instance of my son at two years old escaping out the front door of our house and running out into the street before we knew it (a neighbor had come in to borrow eggs or sugar) made me a lot more understanding of how these type tragedies happen.
This of course does not excuse things like the woman a week or two ago who wanted to go party at a friends house so put her four or six kids in a tiny closet and jammed a chair against the doorknob so they could not get out while she was gone. Two of them died from asphyxiation by the time she got home. Idiot woman didn't realize living things need air I guess.
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I am very absent-minded. Like I said, I've driven to former houses that I've lived in and pushed the garage door opener, wondering why the stupid thing wouldn't open, oblivious to the fact I hadn't lived there for a while.
A lady here in town left her child in the car and the baby died. Years later, she's still extremely troubled and struggles to hold conversations. The pain has never left.
I'm a prime candidate to do something like this and even though our baby days are over, I do have an older child that requires assistance with everything. Just the thought of what you described in your experience, and then relating it to my child, scares me to death. I'm actually sitting here right now with tears pouring down my face, just having the thought.
I read stories like this fellow...who knows what he was going through. Sure, maybe he's a selfish jerk more concerned about his sermon than his child. But maybe not. Maybe he's been going through it. Maybe there are financial problems, or people in the church that are giving him fits and trying to get rid of him, or maybe he's going to deliver a sermon that could get him in lots of trouble if he doesn't deliver it the right way. Can any of us even imagine what he must feel like right now? I can't even process it.
I just hope to God I never forget my child in the car. I'd much rather die than have that happen to him.
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10-04-2010, 07:34 PM
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Re: apostolic pastor leaves child in car that died
My question in this is why couldn't God have told him that his daughter was in the car and about to die?
This Pastor was going about the Lord's work and the Lord let his baby die.
I may be the only to verbalize this. However, I am sure that this thought has already come into his mind. It's a question that I don't have the answer for.
Do you?
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