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01-21-2010, 10:11 PM
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IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
Wow I can hardly believe it! Im watching them on the webstream from the prayer room. They were going to do a baptism so I paid close attention.
Four people so far baptized like so. In or "into" the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.....the Lord Jesus Christ. Or words very similar.
Im impressed.
http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Articl...?ID=1000058181
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
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Wow I can hardly believe it! Im watching them on the webstream from the prayer room. They were going to do a baptism so I paid close attention.
Four people so far baptized like so. In or "into" the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.....the Lord Jesus Christ. Or words very similar.
Im impressed.
http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Articl...?ID=1000058181 |
A lot of folks would be concerned about that being "compromise." I think it's cool that they're doing it.
Charles Fox Parham baptized " In Jesus' name into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost" up until the "New Issue" became an issue and he appears to have dropped the " Jesus' name" part of the formula.
Do you think the IHOP practice is valid?
What would you say about a Oneness group (post-trib, of course) who wanted to meet folks like IHOP "halfway" for purposes of fellowship and added the titles to their " Jesus' name" formula?
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01-21-2010, 10:59 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
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A lot of folks would be concerned about that being "compromise." I think it's cool that they're doing it.
Charles Fox Parham baptized "In Jesus' name into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost" up until the "New Issue" became an issue and he appears to have dropped the "Jesus' name" part of the formula.
Do you think the IHOP practice is valid?
What would you say about a Oneness group (post-trib, of course) who wanted to meet folks like IHOP "halfway" for purposes of fellowship and added the titles to their "Jesus' name" formula?
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There are probably some who are such sticklers that unless in addition to being baptized "in Jesus name" you also must sing "I'm glad that I've been buried in the name of the Lord" after the fact. Unless both things are done you are STILL as lost as two boys kissing.
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01-21-2010, 11:21 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
Just make sure it's "Into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost-In the name of Jesus" and not vice versa-that way the last part either clarifies or negates the first depending on stance... oh, nevermind...
I don't know how I feel about this, really. I've always heard it preached against, but I don't really see how it could be wrong. Some would say "but they don't know the power of that name" or "they don't know who Jesus really is". Hmmm... neither did I, when I was baptized. And for that matter, I doubt I truly do now. Not sure it's humanly capable to grasp everything wrapped up in that name.
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01-21-2010, 11:27 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
I am good with it. Of course while I would teach baptism invoking Jesus name, I would not necessarily say all other formulas are "invalid". Baptism, after all, is a result of faith - not a means of defining our faith.
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01-21-2010, 11:28 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
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Just make sure it's "Into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost-In the name of Jesus" and not vice versa-that way the last part either clarifies or negates the first depending on stance... oh, nevermind...
I don't know how I feel about this, really. I've always heard it preached against, but I don't really see how it could be wrong. Some would say "but they don't know the power of that name" or "they don't know who Jesus really is". Hmmm... neither did I, when I was baptized. And for that matter, I doubt I truly do now. Not sure it's humanly capable to grasp everything wrapped up in that name.
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How about the following.... "In obedience to the command of our Lord, to go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and in the power and authority of the name of Jesus Christ I now baptize you in water this day."
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01-21-2010, 11:39 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
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Originally Posted by Brother David
A lot of folks would be concerned about that being "compromise." I think it's cool that they're doing it.
Charles Fox Parham baptized "In Jesus' name into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost" up until the "New Issue" became an issue and he appears to have dropped the "Jesus' name" part of the formula.
Do you think the IHOP practice is valid?
What would you say about a Oneness group (post-trib, of course) who wanted to meet folks like IHOP "halfway" for purposes of fellowship and added the titles to their "Jesus' name" formula?
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I am on record on this forum as saying I believe its perfectly valid to baptize into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost......the name of Jesus Christ.
I dont agree with the other way around. Many say in the name (or authority of) Jesus I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
I figured thats what the IHOP Minister would say. But no. He did it practically the same as I would have myself.
On the issue of how to baptize hats off to IHOP!
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01-21-2010, 11:39 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
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Originally Posted by missourimary
Just make sure it's "Into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost-In the name of Jesus" and not vice versa-that way the last part either clarifies or negates the first depending on stance... oh, nevermind...
I don't know how I feel about this, really. I've always heard it preached against, but I don't really see how it could be wrong. Some would say "but they don't know the power of that name" or "they don't know who Jesus really is". Hmmm... neither did I, when I was baptized. And for that matter, I doubt I truly do now. Not sure it's humanly capable to grasp everything wrapped up in that name.
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Good thoughts.
I also hear endless debates about oneness and how even baptizing correctly will be negated if you do not understand one-God properly. And after hearing some of these guys debate, you'll usually walk away not knowing what one and one equals or what color the sky is.
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01-21-2010, 11:41 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
The problem, Been Thinking, is that I have been taught for years that is a compromise, but I don't really see how it could be. I was baptized in the titles at 15, and baptized in Jesus name at 18. My first baptism actually meant more to me. When I was rebaptized, it was in obedience to what I was being taught, but it wasn't with faith that God would wash away my sins or that this was a specific act of commitment or anything-because I thoroughly believed that my baptism in the titles had been effective.
Hoovie is very right, it takes faith, but is not a means of defining our faith. I like how you put that, Hoovie. 
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01-21-2010, 11:52 PM
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Re: IHOP Baptizing in Jesus Name
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Good thoughts.
I also hear endless debates about oneness and how even baptizing correctly will be negated if you do not understand one-God properly. And after hearing some of these guys debate, you'll usually walk away not knowing what one and one equals or what color the sky is.
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Agreed. Part of it may be because I was growing up and began hearing more doubts as an adult, but I had more doubts about whether I was correctly baptized in Jesus name than I ever have about whether I was baptized in the titles. I've been told at various times that a believer must face a certain direction when baptized, be baptized in flowing water, and be totally immersed. (But sometimes that's easier said than done... fat floats!) And these statements really bothered me, because, after all, being Apostolic I was told I had to be baptized right! Was I? *gulp* If that preacher didn't get me all the way under, would God send me to Hell? 
So after years of struggling with it and coming to that conclusion, how can I say that "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, which is the name of Jesus" could be incorrect?
Above that, and the question of a lifetime for me... if the disciples baptized in Jesus' name because they were following the command of Mt 28:19... and if "baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" means baptizing in the name of Jesus, then wouldn't the opposite also be true, that when you baptize in Jesus name, you are also baptizing by the command of Mt 28:19, and therefore into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? If these are both logical conclusions, does it matter which statement is used, since both have the same meaning? (It's late. I hope that makes sense...)
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