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Old 08-18-2009, 10:20 AM
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Re: H.R.3200 The Real Deal - FactCheck:

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Coadie, you're taking a very narrow portion of a bill and interpreting it the way you want to without consideration of the bills previous reviews and the actual intent.

Coadie, you're a loon. I'm rolling my eyes at you. lol


more name calling.



You tell us you have a clerical government job. Are you on the clock?

On another note, are you educated in psychology and understanding of "intnet"? Mid reading?

The intent is to decieve the people and tell us they won't cut services or raise taxes.

Go tell us what the price will be according to the CBO>


Then give us the numbers that differ from Obama's math. Keep in mind Obama is way off on the economy forecasts. Way off.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:43 AM
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Another claim that's Pants on Fire! is the following: "Page 42: The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None."

To explain this one, we will start with an explanation of the overall bill, which was unveiled July 14, 2009. The bill envisions that everyone will be required to have health insurance. People who get health insurance through work satisfy this requirement right off the bat.
That statement is false. It is a lie. The Federal government will determine what coverage all plans will provide and They will have to change or you will have that coverage cancelled. If your plan doesn't pay for abortion, the plan will be ended.
So you will NOT be covered right off the bat. There will need to be changes. Mandates will have to be met.

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In the Senate Democrats' bill, individual policyholders can keep their coverage, but they will be penalized under the individual mandate as though they did not have any coverage at all. That would be the death-knell of individual policies, says the Heritage Foundation's Ed Haislmaier. Insurers, he says, "could exit the market entirely." (The Senate bill is similarly merciless when it comes to employer-based plans that don't conform with the rules for the planned government-run exchanges. In other words, the Senate bill, unless changed, will force your employer to change your coverage -- maybe just a little bit, but perhaps dramatically.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-51922707.html

CAHI estimates that there are 1,961 state-mandated benefits across the country. It's not just specific products and services that get mandated, but also whole categories of providers like chiropractors and psychologists. By one count, states have enacted about 500 laws mandating coverage for 25 different types of providers.

States also mandate new categories of eligibility that force small businesses to cover additional dependents. One popular measure is the "slacker mandate," which extends coverage to unmarried dependents under the age of 30.

Not all mandates are equally expensive. Drug rehab, for example, increases a plan's premiums by 9% on average, according to America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP). Coverage for psychologists adds 12% to premiums. But in total, in some states mandates increase the cost of insurance from 10% to 20%, according to AHIP.


I have purchased employee health plans for employees for decades. Government employees just get what is provided in their handbook. Most do not understand every mandate and feature has a price.
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:39 PM
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Re: H.R.3200 The Real Deal - FactCheck:

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more name calling.



You tell us you have a clerical government job. Are you on the clock?

On another note, are you educated in psychology and understanding of "intnet"? Mid reading?

The intent is to decieve the people and tell us they won't cut services or raise taxes.

Go tell us what the price will be according to the CBO>


Then give us the numbers that differ from Obama's math. Keep in mind Obama is way off on the economy forecasts. Way off.
Coadie, relax bro. You're pretty thick skinned, don't gasp at a little jab.

And while I post primarily while on break, as like right now, I am permitted unlimited use of the internet within reason between access audits and security threat assessments.

Coadie, let's take a break from the debate and build some brotherly report. I'm Bro. Chris. I have a lovely wife of 12 years and a 3 year old son named Noah. I'm a Security Access Coordinator for a local airport. Tell me about yourself, what do you do? We're of differing political opinions... but more importantly we're brothers in the Lord.
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:52 PM
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Re: H.R.3200 The Real Deal - FactCheck:

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As Christians we should strive for honesty... it's too bad that so many will compromise honesty based on earthly partisanship.
What does this have to do with the 2 posts you made before this???

Are you compromising honesty? Have you ever?
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:44 PM
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Re: H.R.3200 The Real Deal - FactCheck:

[QUOTE=Aquila;790043]This post is primarily a response to HaShaliach's thread, H.R.3200 The Real Deal.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=25596
[INDENT]E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up
By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Thursday, July 30th, 2009 at 5:08 p.m.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-needs-check-/


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http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show

H.R.3200 - America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

http://www.healthreform.gov/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/faq/

Real Conversations About Health Insurance Reform


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As Christians we should strive for honesty... it's too bad that so many will compromise honesty based on earthly partisanship
I will call out dishonesty. You can't honestly explain why the House of Representatives doesn't even call their bill the same thing Obama calls it.

REID'S PETITION FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM Senate name

So every one calls it by a different name, Reid is an embarassment to America as is Obama.

I hope if you get a gall bladder attack, you don't go the the insurance company instead of the hospital.

Insurance has never healed anyone.

Now if the Democrats figure out is it Insurance reform?
Is it Health choices?
Is it healthcare?

Obama drones are confused as usual.

A few weeks ago Obama switched and called it Insurance reform because he thoug we could isolate a common enemy.
The government is the weakest link. We need to reform the Whitehouse.
Obama is ignorant regarding medicine and people are learning that.

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That public option, Obama wrote Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Max Baucus, D-Mont., earlier this month, would give Americans "a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep the insurance companies honest."
America needs to find a mechanism to get Obama turned honest.
He is the one that brings corruption and crime to Washington

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