Can Women Pastor ?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by easter

I'm not disagreeing, I just don't believe the same way that you do!
I do believe that if one is TRULY saved,then the Holy Spirit will indwell that person.
However,the theory that once a person is saved and receives the Holy Spirit,they will not sin.To say that man has a clean heart is false/whether they are saved or not.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin,we deceive ourselves,and the truth is not in us.

Man could never,ever be good enough for the kingdom of God.The blood of Jesus covers our sin,this is the reason the Holy Spirit dwells in the believer.Some people mistake being saved as magically changing from unclean to clean.Only through the blood of Jesus and we don't even deserve this but because he Loves us we are saved from our wicked human nature(the unclean heart)

Easter
I am not saying any thing differant than what you are saying about being good enough or sinless. I am making a point about salvation based on the story or parrable Jesus used when speaking about the man possed by a devil. That the devil was cast out and came back to find his old place clean and garinished and went and got seven more like himself. I say Gods spirit will not indwell a unrepented temple. But if Gods spirit has come into a heart then God has accepted them and they have salvation.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

How did they know that the Gentiles were saved? God gave them the holy ghost as he had given it to them. They were then commanded to be baptized.
So how does this relate to women being used by God in the church? Simple too many time man takes the scripture too litural. Just like the Pharisee and those religious leaders in that day. God said keep the sabbath, man came along and put his own spin on things, by the time Jesus walked on the earth there was a whole list of how many sticks you could pick up before it was considered working, or how far you could walk etc.

Consider this God gave ten commandments set in stone. Jesus took those ten and condensed them into two. Love the Lord God with all they heart, soul, and might. And Love your neighbor as theyself. The rest are guide lines to base our lives on. God has one goal, to bring man back into the relationship he had with Adam before the fall. Customs come and customs go, the ministry is given to the church to help oversee those things, that the church runs smoothly. This by no means locks things into law times change, in the fifties many preached it was sin to wear beards and mustaches because of the hippie movement, they did not want to be identified with them. This was ok but it is not neccesary now. Yet many still preach against this without any bible basis. This is what I am taking about. Paul sets a standard for the mainstream body so as the rest of the church would move in order this did not set it as a biblical law that a women could not teach or pastor in certain instises.
It is the exception though not the rule, but realize in certain times like the ones we live in in this country is is accepted. Therefore it could be more the rule. Especialy if men don't step up to fill their Godly roll in the family!!!

[easter]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Easter
I am not saying any thing differant than what you are saying about being good enough or sinless. I am making a point about salvation based on the story or parrable Jesus used when speaking about the man possed by a devil. That the devil was cast out and came back to find his old place clean and garinished and went and got seven more like himself. I say Gods spirit will not indwell a unrepented temple. But if Gods spirit has come into a heart then God has accepted them and they have salvation.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

How did they know that the Gentiles were saved? God gave them the holy ghost as he had given it to them. They were then commanded to be baptized.
So how does this relate to women being used by God in the church? Simple too many time man takes the scripture too litural. Just like the Pharisee and those religious leaders in that day. God said keep the sabbath, man came along and put his own spin on things, by the time Jesus walked on the earth there was a whole list of how many sticks you could pick up before it was considered working, or how far you could walk etc.

Consider this God gave ten commandments set in stone. Jesus took those ten and condensed them into two. Love the Lord God with all they heart, soul, and might. And Love your neighbor as theyself. The rest are guide lines to base our lives on. God has one goal, to bring man back into the relationship he had with Adam before the fall. Customs come and customs go, the ministry is given to the church to help oversee those things, that the church runs smoothly. This by no means locks things into law times change, in the fifties many preached it was sin to wear beards and mustaches because of the hippie movement, they did not want to be identified with them. This was ok but it is not neccesary now. Yet many still preach against this without any bible basis. This is what I am taking about. Paul sets a standard for the mainstream body so as the rest of the church would move in order this did not set it as a biblical law that a women could not teach or pastor in certain instises.
It is the exception though not the rule, but realize in certain times like the ones we live in in this country is is accepted. Therefore it could be more the rule. Especialy if men don't step up to fill their Godly roll in the family!!!

Isn't amazing how the living word of God works!He teaches us all things,through his word.

Just to remind everyone "I'm not a Pastor,preacher,reverend or Bishop,deaconess(if there is such a thing as Deaconess)

I am a Fundamentalist that was raised Baptist but I believe like the Pentecostals but not Apostolic Pentecostals.The oneness theory.Oh I know there is only One God but I ask this question in another post but no one addressed it.So I will ask again...

Who was God talking to in...
Genesis 1:26 And God said,let" US" make man in"OUR" image,after"OUR" LIKENESS:and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air,and over the cattle,and over all the earth,and over every creeping thing that creepth upon the earth.

Anyways,what I'm saying is you Apostolics are interesting.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Easter
I am not saying any thing differant than what you are saying about being good enough or sinless. I am making a point about salvation based on the story or parrable Jesus used when speaking about the man possed by a devil. That the devil was cast out and came back to find his old place clean and garinished and went and got seven more like himself. I say Gods spirit will not indwell a unrepented temple. But if Gods spirit has come into a heart then God has accepted them and they have salvation.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

How did they know that the Gentiles were saved? God gave them the holy ghost as he had given it to them. They were then commanded to be baptized.
So how does this relate to women being used by God in the church? Simple too many time man takes the scripture too litural. Just like the Pharisee and those religious leaders in that day. God said keep the sabbath, man came along and put his own spin on things, by the time Jesus walked on the earth there was a whole list of how many sticks you could pick up before it was considered working, or how far you could walk etc.

Consider this God gave ten commandments set in stone. Jesus took those ten and condensed them into two. Love the Lord God with all they heart, soul, and might. And Love your neighbor as theyself. The rest are guide lines to base our lives on. God has one goal, to bring man back into the relationship he had with Adam before the fall. Customs come and customs go, the ministry is given to the church to help oversee those things, that the church runs smoothly. This by no means locks things into law times change, in the fifties many preached it was sin to wear beards and mustaches because of the hippie movement, they did not want to be identified with them. This was ok but it is not neccesary now. Yet many still preach against this without any bible basis. This is what I am taking about. Paul sets a standard for the mainstream body so as the rest of the church would move in order this did not set it as a biblical law that a women could not teach or pastor in certain instises.
It is the exception though not the rule, but realize in certain times like the ones we live in in this country is is accepted. Therefore it could be more the rule. Especialy if men don't step up to fill their Godly roll in the family!!!

However,our beliefs do differ some what, I do agree with this here post.The reason I agree is because the Bible is Holy Spirit inspired but Paul's human nature combined in with his letters and Paul was prejudice against women and anyone that studies the writings of Paul will soon see this vice of Paul's character.
At the beginning of this thread I said a woman shouldn't be a Pastor according to the Bible and that's right.I love the writings of Paul,but I don't care for the man and his views(Does that make sense)?
In Paul's time,men would not have listened to a woman,maybe that is why the Bible discouraged women from the ministry.Now women teach men in Seminary School.
I said,I was a fundamentalist,not a Fanatic

[rdp]

You can't be serious. How in the world can you appeal to the Bible as "God's Word," then relegate the teachings of the man caught up to the 3rd heavens as merely "for his day?"

Hmmmm, I wonder if that also goes for his teachings on faith? Tals about "stretching the Word of God"!!!!!!!![/B][/B]

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

First off, the literal text does not say that Anna or Priscilla [I knew this was coming] preached a sermon to a church congregation, or preached at all for that matter. Thus, as is A-L-W-A-Y-S the case w/ advocates of women preachers, you import your theology into the text, instead of allowing the literal text to define your theology. Aquilla/Priscilla simply gave a home study to Appolos. Does this mean that everytime Me & my wife go give a home Bible study, she's automatically to classified in the set-in office of a 'minister,' in the sense of the 5-fold ministry?? Not hardly.

God's drummer: Adam was 1st formed, THEN Eve! And Eve did not instruct Adam [and when she did sin entered, hmmmm?], but Adam was the instructor. This is a principle from the very beginning, as Paul clearly states in I Tim. 2. So, no man is not the one who taught this....God is the One who instituted this principle. And any woman who preaches/teaches is operating outside of her God given place, no matter what unbiblical excuses they belt out. Perhaps I could somehow get you a copy of my book entitled, "What about Women Preachers?" I go from Genesis to Rev. in dealing w/ this issue & dive deeply into the Greek syntax of the NT. Blessings...RDP.

Weird. Anna is mentioned as telling people who were gathered in the temple about the birth of Jesus (the Bible doesn't say, but I'm sure men were present as well as women), but that isn't preaching.

However, a woman in the pulpit today telling people gathered in the church (and only if there is at least one man present) about the birth of Jesus is considered to be preaching and teaching to men.

Priscilla is mentioned as sharing the Word of God (along with her husband) to a man in his house. That's not preaching.

But put that same man in a church building with Priscilla in the pulpit sharing that same Word of God and VOILA!! She's a preacher now!!

Amazing.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

I'm always astounded at how one can be accussed of "twisting Paul's words to suit yourself"???????? Say what? You are the one who attempts to make the Word of God of no effect thru your explaining away these clear passages [I Tim. 2:12, etc., funny you don't render due service to other Biblical passages]. Not real interested in discussing w/ your Pastor. Trust me, I've studied this issue from all angles [yes I've read Scheel's book]. In sum, already been there & done that ad nauseum.

Okay, so in other words you do not have a single passage where a woman E-V-E-R preached from the Scriptures [including your Huldah, by the way,]. It's amazing how far folks are willing to stretch Scripture to fit their theology.

As far as those who received the Holy Spirit under women preachers, the water flowed from Moses' disobedience as well...for the sake of the thirsty people! Was Moses acting disobediently? Yes. Did God still use his disobedience for the greater cause of the people? Yes.

Regardless, let me clearly state that I highly honor the Alvaer's! We simply disagree on the woman preacher issue. Blessings.

Is it possible to highly honor someone you believe to be in disobedience to God's word???

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

But will add that it's POSSIBLE that He will call a woman in the place that a man refuses to go. But, we can only speculate at best. Blessings.

No scripture for that speculation, but you can justify it in your mind while believing others who perhaps speculate about women preachers to be in disobedience when there is no such scripture to justify that as well? LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by easter

Isn't amazing how the living word of God works!He teaches us all things,through his word.

Just to remind everyone "I'm not a Pastor,preacher,reverend or Bishop,deaconess(if there is such a thing as Deaconess)

I am a Fundamentalist that was raised Baptist but I believe like the Pentecostals but not Apostolic Pentecostals.The oneness theory.Oh I know there is only One God but I ask this question in another post but no one addressed it.So I will ask again...

Who was God talking to in...
Genesis 1:26 And God said,let" US" make man in"OUR" image,after"OUR" LIKENESS:and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air,and over the cattle,and over all the earth,and over every creeping thing that creepth upon the earth.

Anyways,what I'm saying is you Apostolics are interesting.

Would you mind starting a thread on this subject? I'd like to provide my opinion on the matter, as well as hear others.

[easter]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Would you mind starting a thread on this subject? I'd like to provide my opinion on the matter, as well as hear others.

I did!The thread is(WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE)

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by rdp

You can't be serious. How in the world can you appeal to the Bible as "God's Word," then relegate the teachings of the man caught up to the 3rd heavens as merely "for his day?"

Hmmmm, I wonder if that also goes for his teachings on faith? Tals about "stretching the Word of God"!!!!!!!![/B][/B]

Wow
Do you take every word that comes from your pastor as word of God? I take the whole word as Gods word but I don't take mans teachings as Gods word. My bible tells me to seak out my own salvation... And I don't read into the word what I want to, in order to support my own teachings. I Timothy 2:12 is not a command Paul says I suffer not

Please understand what I am saying here, Customs of that day did not allow for a women to teach/preach etc. woman were little more than a mans property. Further more Paul is comfirming the order God placed down for the home. This does not mean God cannot or will not use a woman to preach/pastor. I never said it was the way it should be, but it is the way it can be. Here is the bottom line if there is a church that is pastored by a women and you don't feel it is right go somewhere else. I mean good grief do you think God only has one group of beleivers is a town or his spirit only works with one group?
Personaly I like the church that have a husband and wife team co pastors. Now the woman has become what God intended from the begining t be her husbands help meet.
I will say this in the district I carried license in there was a woman pastor, she and her husband were ministers. He was actualy the district supperintendant for several years. She was never out of submition to her husband. What say ye.