Senator Lindsey Graham Debates Himself On Torture

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Cindy

So is he for or against it? And have other countries used it on American POW'S?

Cindy, you know we are the only bad guys. Ask any Obama lovin Lib.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Cindy

So is he for or against it? And have other countries used it on American POW'S?

Other countries have and will continue to employ tactics much more extreme than waterboarding-- this does not make waterboarding right or wrong for the U.S.

But to answer your question, in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have been found mutillated-- showing signs of torture that occurred before death.

Furthermore, if I had to choose my poison, I'd choose waterboarding over beheading every time.

Who decided that waterboarding is torture in the first place? What is the criterion?




I have heard that during the Vietnam War, the bad guys would take glass "straws" and insert them into the male organ and then shatter the glass inside the organ as a means of torture.



In a relative sense, water boarding is not the worst thing that can happen to you in you are captured by your enemy.

Every enemy combatant that America captures will fare better in the hands of our medical and legal system than if they were captured by one of the warring factions closer to their own homeland.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

"In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast. During a hearing at Guantanamo Bay two months ago, KSM stated that the intended target was the Library Tower in Los Angeles."

According to this fact sheet from the White House concerning a speech President Bush gave in 2002, our intelligence agencies had already foiled a plot by KSM to "hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." KSM wasn't even in custody in 2002.

Apparently we didn't need waterboarding to foil the plot that you've alluded to Baron.

Waterboarding is torture, doesn't produce useful intelligence, and shouldn't be used by the United States.


http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv.../20070523.html

Maybe that is the case maybe there is more info, however you didn't respond to your claim about Dick Chaney. If former VP knows the information would be contrary to his claims why push for declassification?

As for your last sentence, you conclude that it doesn't produce useful intelligence based on information that you don't have access to, but DC would like for you to have access to. You conclude that it is "torture" but based on what definition? Because the terrorist don't like it? So your last conclusion that the US shouldn't use it is based on two previous unsubstantiated conclusions.

[Baron1710]

Also going back a bit to this article that links the watrboarding of KSM with the arrest of six terrorist.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...WUwMjdjZjU2ZjA=

Perhaps a little waterboarding has saved some lives.

I have an idea we could take the board away and tow them behind the boat for about 2-3 minutes and see if they are willing to talk. We call that recreation not torture.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Also going back a bit to this article that links the watrboarding of KSM with the arrest of six terrorist.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...WUwMjdjZjU2ZjA=

Perhaps a little waterboarding has saved some lives.

I have an idea we could take the board away and tow them behind the boat for about 2-3 minutes and see if they are willing to talk. We call that recreation not torture.

I like your way of thinking.