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Old 04-13-2007, 12:59 AM
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How To Go To Hell: An Observation of Cons and Libs

Well, been a while since I started a thread so I thought I'd offer the forum something to think about... and something to hear your opinions of.

For a couple weeks now I've been deeply troubled about some things I see encroaching into the Apostolic movement around us leaving great damage in it's wake.

First of all, I'll offer a couple disclaimers:
1. To begin with I'm coming from the perspective of a Conservative (a fact that some will no doubt cast doubt on) and realize that some will think my view is too skewed to be accurate.
2. Secondly, I'm in NO WAY saying this is an 'across the board 100% included' observation for either conservatives of liberals.

Here is where my heart has been troubled during the past few weeks. I love all the brethren - ministry and laity / conservative and liberals / passionate and passive - and want them all to make the necessary life adjustments to ultimately be saved. However, I know that some will be lost. The Bible makes that plain.

After a few recent weeks of spending a lot of time by myself in Evangelist Quarters with plenty of time to pray I find myself grieving for both extremes among us. Let me explain. After several intense seasons of prayer last week my heart came to a sad conclusion:
Liberals are going to be lost and go to Hell for laying down Biblical absolutes and
Conservatives are going to be lost and go to Hell because of a 'spirit' of entitlement.

That may not sound like much (except a challenge to both sides) until you hear me out. I do believe that it takes sanctification and separation from the world to be saved. Some liberals will fail miserably in that area. But I also believe that it takes a pure heart and a life void of what the Bible calls 'guile' to be saved. Some conservatives will fail equally as miserably in that area.

A lack of holiness allows some liberal Saints to wander into blatant iniquity and still feel saved.
A spirit of 'entitlement' allows some conservative Saint to have vicious attitudes
under the guise of "I'm still holy so I'm entitled to feel this way."

A lack of holiness allows some liberal Preachers to fail God miserably by easing from 'liberty' to 'license' for sinful actions.
A spirit of 'entitlement' allows some conservative Preachers to become vile towards authority
in their own lives and feel entitled to it because "I never let go of any standards like some."

A lack of holiness allows some liberal Pastors to have affairs because it's a short distance from
laying down the 'be careful little eyes' stuff to laying down someone that doesn't belong to you.
A spirit of 'entitlement' allows some conservative Pastors to have affairs because
"I give so much of myself to others that I'm entitled to getting a little attention myself."

My dear friends on AFF... It's blatant deception to think that laying down biblical absolutes will never destroy the soul. It's even more deceptive to think that just because we preach a strong message that we're entitled to have certain sins, attitudes or 'shortcomings' exempted from God's displeasure.

How can those who know so much go to Hell?
Many liberals will miss Heaven over their compromise.
Many conservatives will miss Heaven because a 'spirit of entitlement' opened the door to sin in their hearts.

PREACH, MY BRETHREN, AGAINST SIN WITH A HOLY PASSION
BUT NEVER - EVER - BELIEVE THAT ENTITLES YOU TO BE LESS THAN HOLY!

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Old 04-13-2007, 01:04 AM
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In my opinion, your observations are very accurate! You have a great heart, doc.
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Old 04-13-2007, 01:17 AM
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whew now theres some thoughts worth thinking on.
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Old 04-13-2007, 01:25 AM
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whew now theres some thoughts worth thinking on.
Some will bite off more than they can chew.
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Its hard to eat meat when you choke on milk so I can say I agree.
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Its hard to eat meat when you choke on milk so I can say I agree.
And some are satisfied with the crumbs that fall off the masters' table.
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I think this thread will make for great discussion from all sides of the spectrum...

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Old 04-13-2007, 04:14 AM
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You said a mouthful here, brother.

Great thoughts.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:54 AM
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Steadfast,

Thank you for a certain sound that is a perfect "E-440". You are indeed a watchman standing on the wall and all who hear and disregard your warning should begin now to tremble.
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Steadfast....... Thank you for sharing these thoughts!

May God help us all!
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