Is Pentecost Good to Women in Ministry?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Women who took a ministry role as we would define it are very rare in Scripture.

I believe they are the exception more than the rule.

This is why they are rare today. Not non-existent, but uncommon.

Whether you are a man or a woman, if you have got the goods, your gift is going to make room for you.

That's why you see ladies like our own Sister Alvear who doesn't need anybody defending her ministry--it speaks for itself.

If you are sitting back crying about how powerful you would be if only you got the breaks others got, you probably don't have what it takes. That goes for men and women.

1. Rare/ Common denominator being that they aren't noted to have children which is an extreme rarity to begin with. Of course; women now have many more productive years outside of child bearing.

2. I believe that gifts spoken of in Proverbs probably went to physical objects/ bribes etc. We see many in the OT presenting gifts upon meeting others.

3. Spiritual gifts generally need development. Paul told Timothy to stir up the gift that was in him.

4. If development weren't necesary than the concept of mentorship in the church among ministers would be non-existent and we wouldn't have young men preaching until they were FULLY GIFTED.

5. Sister Alvear is married to a minister. She lives in South America where other men don't want to go.

6. Very few start out as spiritual giants that could overcome the obstacles in their path by themselves. I am not so sure that some will have to answer to God for the women within their churches that they did not nurture and allow to develop / the talent that was put in their hand to plant but wasn't.

7. I don't think it a coincidence that the Apostolic Church in America grew fastest when it was less institutionalized and the women had more freedom to minister across a pulpit. IMO

[commonsense]

Interesting points on women in ministry. I know as child I heard many women preachers. Since it was accepted at our church,I also accepted it. Until I was older, did not realize not all churches or saints accepted women preachers.

I'll lean toward Bro Norris' teaching...God would prefer to use a man, but if a man will not step up to the job, God will use a willing, able woman.

It's many years since I heard Bobbye W.
My old memory cells do not recall all the names of women I've heard.

I remember two gals that traveled together in the 50's and sang together (guitar) and then the one preached. While it was from the heart....their singing was really pretty bad.

[Steve Epley]

Yep God miscalculated the men wouldn't go so he sent the women instead?? Looks like God being infinite and all he would have known the men wouldn't go and sent the women first? Funny though who was that woman apostle Jesus chose to be with the eleven???? And why in the upper room with Mary and the other women present an unknown MAN takes Judas' place? Odd isn't it?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Bobby Wendell what a woman...I just listened to one of her sermons and gave it to my daughter to listen to while I am here in the states...I wept...and wept...and wept...The title was "in a moment of time"...


I was at conference in Louisville,Kentucky last year and heard that and stayed there on the carpet for an hour.I know how you feel.It was awesome.
Her words were so precious.And precious Sister Freeman... a living legend among us...

Even though Brazil is a different world there are many that are against women...but in our work we seldom have brushed sholders with these guys...BUT our women are trained to respect men and I HAVE never seen one lady mouth off about men...

I personally am no threat to men for those that know me most know I HATE to get up before a crowd and especially in the states...Sometimes duty requires to do certain things...but I tremble to get up before a crowd.

I agree.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yep God miscalculated the men wouldn't go so he sent the women instead?? Looks like God being infinite and all he would have known the men wouldn't go and sent the women first? Funny though who was that woman apostle Jesus chose to be with the eleven???? And why in the upper room with Mary and the other women present an unknown MAN takes Judas' place? Odd isn't it?

Aren't you UPC licensed?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Aren't you UPC licensed?

Nope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And never was and never had a desire to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. Rare/ Common denominator being that they aren't noted to have children which is an extreme rarity to begin with. Of course; women now have many more productive years outside of child bearing.

2. I believe that gifts spoken of in Proverbs probably went to physical objects/ bribes etc. We see many in the OT presenting gifts upon meeting others.

3. Spiritual gifts generally need development. Paul told Timothy to stir up the gift that was in him.

4. If development weren't necesary than the concept of mentorship in the church among ministers would be non-existent and we wouldn't have young men preaching until they were FULLY GIFTED.

5. Sister Alvear is married to a minister. She lives in South America where other men don't want to go.

6. Very few start out as spiritual giants that could overcome the obstacles in their path by themselves. I am not so sure that some will have to answer to God for the women within their churches that they did not nurture and allow to develop / the talent that was put in their hand to plant but wasn't.

7. I don't think it a coincidence that the Apostolic Church in America grew fastest when it was less institutionalized and the women had more freedom to minister across a pulpit. IMO

Excellent points!