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Old 07-09-2008, 04:15 PM
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Re: God, Is My Obededience Not Enough?: When HH Fa

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PO, all we need is to blab it and grab it, & name it and claim it.
BTW, God wants you to be rich and successful too!
LOL!

Well, aside from all of that, I think the article is stretching for some purpose. We better stop singing about "faithful" Abraham in Sunday School.
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:04 PM
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Re: God, Is My Obededience Not Enough?: When HH Fa

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Daniel,
I tried to read this article, but I can't get past the above. This rather contradicts scripture.

Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

Your article is stating that Abraham did not begin with faith but the Word says that God has dealt TO EVERY MAN the measure of faith. If Abraham didn't believe and have faith he wouldn't have left Haran.

Your author even speaks of Sarah's faith. Hebrews 11:11 "Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised."

We do bring something to the table of salvation - ourselves in humility. That takes a tremendous amount of faith.

The promise was made from the foundation of the world. God imparts a measure of faith so that we can thereby receive it.
I disagree. I see a couple of ways to understand the phrase "measure of faith" in this passage.

1) God has given to each of those saved people being addressed by Paul a measure of faith. The phrase thus deals with the various intensities of faith within the body and has nothing to do with those outside the Church. This point is underscored by 2 Thessalonians 3:2 which outright tells us that "all men have not faith."

2) If it is somehow a reference to ALL men in and out of the Church, it is a reference to the standard of faith. All men are given the same standard/measure of faith. Thus, the meaning is not that ALL men on earth have received a portion of faith, but that ALL have been given THE standard which is faith. ALL men can come to the Father and be incorporated into the body ONLY by the standard of faith in Christ.

While the latter is possible, I think the first best fits the context.
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