The same way you trust God completely that He will supply all your needs, yet your wife still has to work, and you still attend school to make better money.
Unless you admit that by doing those things, you aren't trusting God completely to meet your needs.......
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So, you are saying that Job was stupid too? Job trusted God completely and from what you said, you're saying that Job is no different than the snake handlers, which is far fetched to say the least.
Apples and oranges. Job didn't put himself in that situation. Totally different.
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There were two Biblical examples where medicine was used by men of God instead of prayer. How come the 'you don't have faith if you use medicine' posters aren't addressing that???
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[QUOTE=Rico;569121]Maybe those who trust God completely do have a stronger faith than you do. If they do, what's it to you? Is this a competition to see who has more faith?
I respond to that....
Apparently it IS hence we get the comment about GREAT FAITH from the poster who started this thread. And now you corroborate that in your "Maybe those who trust God completely DO have a stronger faith etc etc...."
That IS what the adherents of this doctrine imply not only to those of us with more sense than to swallow their death producing error, but more dangerously to those on the INSIDE of that group who follow it out of the same innocent ignorance of those who handle snakes a fantastic analogy by the way.
Faith is in no way measurable by a person going to work to bring in the daily bread they ask God to give them
or by someone being Spiritually mature enough to NOT reject medical help and needlessly put their life in peril over such simple things as an infected pimple!!!!!! (There aren't enough exclamation marks to demonstrate the amazement with a decision that was so irresonsible that turned so deadly so quick and is now being held up as FAITH! GREAT FAITH!!!!!
Listen lets draw it to a close, you have your opinion as flawed as it is, the problem with it is that it leads to much death. As per the example you show us here those who follow such an example can expect to be checking out of here very early leaving behind widows and fatherless children, and by the way WHO is going to financially provide for them???? Daddy cant because He made a VERY bad decision that resulted in death. Lets just hope and pray no one else follows such a deadly example.
Sister, I trust God when I have to go see a doctor. For those who see doctors, it doesn't mean they don't have any faith. It just means they don't have the kind of faith it takes not to go see them. OM is referring to that as great faith. It certainly is a greater faith than I have. The truth of the matter is that it's really easy to talk about having that kind of faith. It's a whole lot harder to live it when you know you are going to die. It really bothers me to see anyone try to exalt themselves, regardless of which route they go on this doctor issue.
A to the MEN! I don't have the faith it takes to never see a doctor, but I sure am not going to run down those who do.
I agree Rico. But a friend of mines wife, put that no doctors belief on her 12 yr. old child..and he died. ( early 80's) He went into a diabetic coma and died 3 days later. They almost lost there other kids and went to prison. I agree totally w/ respecting beliefs.. but there is a fine line there somewhere, when children are involved, and suffer or die with an illness that is very treatable. Have the elders anoint you with oil, but if your still sufferring, take some medicine in Jesus name!
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I agree Rico. But a friend of mines wife, put that no doctors belief on her 12 yr. old child..and he died. ( early 80's) He went into a diabetic coma and died 3 days later. They almost lost there other kids and went to prison. I agree totally w/ respecting beliefs.. but there is a fine line there somewhere, when children are involved, and suffer or die with an illness that is very treatable. Have the elders anoint you with oil, but if your still sufferring, take some medicine in Jesus name!
Maybe those who trust God completely do have a stronger faith than you do. If they do, what's it to you? Is this a competition to see who has more faith?
I respond to that....
Apparently it IS hence we get the comment about GREAT FAITH from the poster who started this thread. And now you corroborate that in your "Maybe those who trust God completely DO have a stronger faith etc etc...."
That IS what the adherents of this doctrine imply not only to those of us with more sense than to swallow their death producing error, but more dangerously to those on the INSIDE of that group who follow it out of the same innocent ignorance of those who handle snakes a fantastic analogy by the way.
Faith is in no way measurable by a person going to work to bring in the daily bread they ask God to give them
or by someone being Spiritually mature enough to NOT reject medical help and needlessly put their life in peril over such simple things as an infected pimple!!!!!! (There aren't enough exclamation marks to demonstrate the amazement with a decision that was so irresonsible that turned so deadly so quick and is now being held up as FAITH! GREAT FAITH!!!!!
Listen lets draw it to a close, you have your opinion as flawed as it is, the problem with it is that it leads to much death. As per the example you show us here those who follow such an example can expect to be checking out of here very early leaving behind widows and fatherless children, and by the way WHO is going to financially provide for them???? Daddy cant because He made a VERY bad decision that resulted in death. Lets just hope and pray no one else follows such a deadly example.
And your opinion leads to people who never think of letting God simply heal them of whatever ails them when He has all the power in the universe in the palm of His hand. The next time you get a headache, see if the first thought that comes into your mind is to trust God over the headache or to go take an aspirin. My guess is that, like most Christians, God will never enter your mind.
Sister, I trust God when I have to go see a doctor. For those who see doctors, it doesn't mean they don't have any faith. It just means they don't have the kind of faith it takes not to go see them. OM is referring to that as great faith. It certainly is a greater faith than I have. The truth of the matter is that it's really easy to talk about having that kind of faith. It's a whole lot harder to live it when you know you are going to die. It really bothers me to see anyone try to exalt themselves, regardless of which route they go on this doctor issue.
Rico, faith isn't measurable. Either you have it or you don't. Faith the size of a mustard seed is all that's needed. Your (not personal your, just general) mountain-sized faith isn't more powerful nor is it more noticed by God than my mustard seed faith.
You won't find 'great faith' in the Bible. Therefore, I have a problem with that 'doctrine'.
Sure, people have that option. I won't deny them that, but it usually extends to their children and those they are responsible for. It's those failures that have ramifications that go far beyond 'they didn't have enough faith'.
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I don't have the faith it takes to never see a doctor, but I sure am not going to run down those who do.
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