I knew a another woman who developed a brain tumor. Surgery, radiation and chemo. And drugs... lots of drugs. But, when the doctors did all they could do, I read to her where King Amos trusted the doctors rather than trusting God, and died. She said thats what she wanted to do...trust God...whatever He decides, was okay with her. And a few days later, she went to be with Him. That woman was my wife this past February, and she too was a woman of great faith.
The point is this... whether we take meds to ease pain or whatever, or not, we have to trust God. Job did: "Yea, thou he slay me, yet will I trust Him!". Using meds is no more a sign of a lack of faith, than refusing meds is a sign of faith. I trust God to keep me safe while wiring up an AC unit. But I still use insulated tools. Using meds to help with pain or whatever is no different.
I do see taking medications as a lack of faith, but I realize that many Apostolics don't have the great Faith like some Apostolics have. It is the carnal mind that many Apostolics have where they can't trust God completely, which is typical.
No God doesnt get any glory from people REFUSING to use their common sense and dying NEDLESSLY!
Common sense says there's no way a man can die and raise from the dead three days later. Don't talk to me about common sense. Common sense according to who, man? I don't think so. There are a lot of things about this walk that don't make common sense.
The Pastor and His wife I knew who BOTH died NEEDLESSLY leaving a little boy parentless did NOT bring God Glory!
I have a feeling I know who you are talking about. You should be ashamed of yourself for speaking against men of God this way. They're not alive to defend their beliefs and you are busy trashin them on an internet forum.
Your Pastor dying NEEDLESSLY did NOT bring God Glory!
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. I give God the glory for the life he lived, the strength he showed, and the way he stuck it out to the end. So much for God not getting any glory.
Those that die NEEDLESSLY following his example will NOT bring God glory!
The Baby in the photos down in Louisiana that died NEEDLESSLY did not bring God any GLORY!
DYING NEEDLESSLY such as from an infected pimple on the back of your neck by REFUSING medical treatment or of the REFUSING of an outpatient skin cancer removal or the REFUSING of medical professionals causing a badly botched home delivery and again NEEDLESS death not only do NOT bring God GLORY but actually quite the opposite, they bring him AND his church MUCH shame and cause many lost people to completely tune the TRUE message we have OUT as they estimate us to be DANGEROUSLY self destructive.
If these people chose to leave the time of their death in the hands of God, then they should be commended for it, not NEEDLESSLY talked about.
Please stop contending that it does!
What gives God glory is REAL BIBLE BASED FAITH that brings RESULTS not in DEATH, but in LIFE.
Ignorance is not now nor will it ever BE bliss no matter how much FAITH you put in it.
What more can one say? widows, orphans, dead babies THIS is what this doctrine leaves us with, and all NEEDLESS so sadly sadly NEEDLESS, what glory is there in NEEDLESS death?? Please some one find some so that Rico can feel justified in a very wrong position to contend for.
It sounds to me like you don't have what it takes to go this route, so you want to slam people who do. Live and let live, Bro. This is a very personal decision someone will make. One that could lead to some very trying times. If Brother So and So has the faith to go this route, more power to him. If you or someone else doesn't, more power to you.
Using meds is no more a sign of a lack of faith, than refusing meds is a sign of faith. I trust God to keep me safe while wiring up an AC unit. But I still use insulated tools. Using meds to help with pain or whatever is no different.
Exactly it is what they call in America COMMON SENSE.
It is this insinuation that people who REFUSE medical treatment have "GREAT FAITH" that causes impressionable young people who want to have "GREAT FAITH" to follow that same example and come as many of us could recount horror stories all night long....to great harm and needless death. And when they wake UP to the error that they followed in the example given to them by those they looked to as leaders, in so many cases the end is disastrous.
I am so happy to see that you had to the wisdom to do ALL that you could do INCLUDING trusting the Lord! THAT is Faith. That is WISE faith and an example to follow!
God Bless You, sorry to see you parted from your wife for a season, but thank God for the resurrection.
I knew a another woman who developed a brain tumor. Surgery, radiation and chemo. And drugs... lots of drugs. But, when the doctors did all they could do, I read to her where King Amos trusted the doctors rather than trusting God, and died. She said thats what she wanted to do...trust God...whatever He decides, was okay with her. And a few days later, she went to be with Him. That woman was my wife this past February, and she too was a woman of great faith.
The point is this... whether we take meds to ease pain or whatever, or not, we have to trust God. Job did: "Yea, thou he slay me, yet will I trust Him!". Using meds is no more a sign of a lack of faith, than refusing meds is a sign of faith. I trust God to keep me safe while wiring up an AC unit. But I still use insulated tools. Using meds to help with pain or whatever is no different.
Excellent post, my friend.
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Subliminal message here..... If you choose MEDICAL treatment you dont have GREAT FAITH. If you choose to die from an infection that could be immediately wiped out in ten seconds of treatment......then you have GREAT FAITH. Yeah THAT is the kind of faith that fits into a little box my friend, a little PINE box.
You people are not only wrong but DANGEROUSLY so. And the TRAIL of dead men women teenagers and babies left in your wake is not only a great reproach to the faith but deserves to be looked into by the civil authorities.
And heaven help ALL of us if that ever happens because I can assure you it will NOT bring "Glory" to God for the world to know about the needless deaths of adults and the criminal deaths of children.
LOL!!! You are so funny. If you don't have great Faith, then you take all the drugs that you want. This is what carnality does and how people trust drugs more than God.
Subliminal message here..... If you choose MEDICAL treatment you dont have GREAT FAITH. If you choose to die from an infection that could be immediately wiped out in ten seconds of treatment......then you have GREAT FAITH. Yeah THAT is the kind of faith that fits into a little box my friend, a little PINE box.
You people are not only wrong but DANGEROUSLY so. And the TRAIL of dead men women teenagers and babies left in your wake is not only a great reproach to the faith but deserves to be looked into by the civil authorities.
And heaven help ALL of us if that ever happens because I can assure you it will NOT bring "Glory" to God for the world to know about the needless deaths of adults and the criminal deaths of children.
Their line of thinking is no different than that of the snake handlers, who believe that if they are bitten, they won't die, and if they do, it's because their faith was lacking.
Stupidity in purest form.
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I do see taking medications as a lack of faith, but I realize that many Apostolics don't have the great Faith like some Apostolics have. It is the carnal mind that many Apostolics have where they can't trust God completely, which is typical.
I want you to read this if you ever have to have surgery or are in an accident where pain meds might have benefit. Or as you get older, your cholesterol is way high, your arthritis makes it difficult to walk, and you have fluid retention in your lower legs.
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LOL!!! You are so funny. If you don't have great Faith, then you take all the drugs that you want. This is what carnality does and how people trust drugs more than God.
It's possible to trust God AND take drugs.
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I want you to read this if you ever have to have surgery or are in an accident where pain meds might have benefit. Or as you get older, your cholesterol is way high, your arthritis makes it difficult to walk, and you have fluid retention in your lower legs.
I am not should of's, would of's, or could of's, but I do trust God completely. Now, if you choose not to, then that is your choice. You know why I don't go with what many of you are saying? It is because I have trusted God all of my life and whatever His will is for me, will be done. I have no regrets because I trust the Lord completely and I don't have to put my trust in doctors like many Apostolics do.
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