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Old 06-24-2008, 12:46 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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A friend of mine's wife. Before they were married. They did not believe in going to Doctors at all. Their 14 yr. old son went into a coma and died 3 days later. Diabetes. Take your meds and go to the Doctor in Jesus name. Or at least don't put them beliefs on your babies. Got a brain.. use it.
I have read that the latin word Pharmikia (means sorcery).. thus the word pharmecutical (meds, drugs). Just because language was put together in a certain way, does not make it 100% accurate. I regularly take a med and I know its not witch craft. I work with some bi-polar dudes, and I am ohh so thankful they take their medicine. Like a liver,heart or foot having a problem.. so can a brain. Just my thoughts. God bless.
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Is taking a synethically made chemical compound, God's purposed supply of healing within his creation?
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Old 08-17-2008, 11:23 PM
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All righty then, hurry back cause gus is on a leave of absence from this judgemental forum.
This forum is judgmental? I didn't know that. Well, that is definitely something new to me.

BTW, just saying hi and Have a blessed evening.
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Old 08-17-2008, 11:26 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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A friend of mine's wife. Before they were married. They did not believe in going to Doctors at all. Their 14 yr. old son went into a coma and died 3 days later. Diabetes. Take your meds and go to the Doctor in Jesus name. Or at least don't put them beliefs on your babies. Got a brain.. use it.
I have read that the latin word Pharmikia (means sorcery).. thus the word pharmecutical (meds, drugs). Just because language was put together in a certain way, does not make it 100% accurate. I regularly take a med and I know its not witch craft. I work with some bi-polar dudes, and I am ohh so thankful they take their medicine. Like a liver,heart or foot having a problem.. so can a brain. Just my thoughts. God bless.
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There is nothing wrong with going to a doctor, because it would be a way to know what to pray for the person that is sick. Does prayer work? Yes, it sure does.
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:25 AM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft,5331 hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,2372 strife, seditions, heresies,

G5331
φαρμακεία
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.

I didn't even know this until yesterday when I was listening to a preaching tape. So, I decided to look it up and it took me by surprise. Now, it makes so much sense about why taking medication is being so widely used and why there are so many commercials on TV about taking a pill in what ails you.
Witchcraft

Pharmaceutical industry makes over one trillion dollars from selling drugs! It's all about the money.
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:47 AM
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Witchcraft

Pharmaceutical industry makes over one trillion dollars from selling drugs! It's all about the money.
A trillion? Maybe if you add up all the pharmaceutical companies along with all the pharmacies -like Walgreen's, CVS, etc.....

I'm surprised the Arabs aren't in THIS business instead of wasting their time with oil.
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Old 08-18-2008, 02:00 AM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

Is there a point made in this thread yet?

Other than OM having the wisdom of God, I mean.
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Old 08-18-2008, 03:10 AM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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I thought that good old fashion prayer would cure anything. This is getting to be a pill world and that is what is so sad, because all you have to do is to take a pill for any ailment.

Good old fashioned prayer will do LOTS of things, and then again it WONT do lots of things. For instance "Good old fashioned prayer" will NOT remove your responsibility to use your common sense, even though in areas where the Circumstances are MUCH bigger than you and you are UNABLE to see your way, God WILL send supernatural direction your way.

Good old fashioned prayer will NOT remove your responsibility to go out and WORK to provide your family or even just your own self with the basic neccessities of life though God WILL intervene supernaturally with miraculous provision when you are UNABLE to do so for yourself.

And also Good old fashioned prayer will NOT bring healing to your body when you refuse to use the natural ability and common sense that God gave you to take care of your own health. Two wonderful Bible examples of men of God prescribing the medicinal treatments of their day rather than performing miracles of healing corroborate this.
In the Old Covenant Isaiah did NOT bring healing to Hezekiah through "Good old fashioned prayer" but rather told him to "Put a fig on it"

And in the New, the Apostle Paul who had been used in miraculous healing after miraculous healing did NOT send Timothy a prayer cloth and tell him to lay this on the afflicted area, but rather told him to use his common sense and "Take a little wine for thy stomaches sake and thine OFT infirmities."


The road you are going down with this thinking is absolutely destructive and while worn as a badge of "Faith" by many is really a badge of self righteous ignorance in so many many cases, leading to the orphaning of children, women and/or their babies being lost in childbirth, and great senseless loss of life that the Lord will SURELY require at someones hand!

I personally remember preaching in a church in the central United States. After the evening service the pastor said "Brother come in the office, I need to take care of a few things and then we will go out and eat."


Sooooo, as I am sitting there next to his desk while he is doing the books or something, his WIFE comes in the office (lovely people by the way but in that frame of mind that you seem to be entertaining) and she walks over to me, kind of pulls back her sleeve over her elbow and says "Brother, look at this, what do you think this is?"

I looked at it and saw an ugly blackish mole growing there, oh not even half the size of a dime, maybe a quarter or an eighth.

Her husband is now glancing at the two of us silently. It did not look good, but I also knew they were of that frame of mind that teaches them to do nothing BUT pray about their healing, not to use the common sense that God gave them to do for themselves what they CAN do and leave the UNdoable in Gods hands.

So I said to her as diplomatically as I could, "Well sister, that does NOT look good! Have you had that LOOKED at?"

As quick as a wink her husband jumps in, "Brother we respect your ministry here, but WE trust the Lord and you just pray for Sister ________ 's
healing."

Well I put that all out of my mind, but then several years later had some visitors visiting me, and the pastors wife asked me, Oh, Brother did you hear that sister _____________ passed away?

At first I thought she was referring to an OLDER sister of the same name, but come to find out No, it was the young one, the mother of a seven year old boy!

"Oh my goodness! How???!!!" I asked!

"Well it all started out as a little mole on her elbow, that grew into a tumor and metastisized through out her body...on and on she went. The cancer was in her brain, in her bones, her kidneys...."

All that went through my mind was "This is as close to murder as I have ever been!"

If that woman had gone to a DOCTOR he would have it taken off with a laser and it would have been outpatient work at that! She would almost certainly be with us today! That boy would STILL have his mother! That woman is dead NOT because of the Lord, NOT because of the cancer but because of an *IGNORANT* "Tempting the Lord" kind of interpretation of the wonderful promise of healing provided for at Calvary.

The funny thing is , the Pastor used that as a badge of his "Trusting the Lord" gaining entre even deeper into the group, quickly remarried, and then a short time later HE keels over dead, leaving the boy with neither mother OR father to raise him.

No, good old fashioned prayer does NOT absolve us of doing everything for ourselves that we have the ability to do, working for our daily bread, shopping for our clothes, and using the medicinal means available to us to keep our bodies HEALTHY.

Working is every bit as much trusting the Lord as going to a doctor.

Sorry to be so long, but wanted to share that personal experience with what can only be called a very deceptive UNgodly doctrine that has left a trail of dead men women boys girls and babies in its wake.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:38 AM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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Good old fashioned prayer will do LOTS of things, and then again it WONT do lots of things. For instance "Good old fashioned prayer" will NOT remove your responsibility to use your common sense, even though in areas where the Circumstances are MUCH bigger than you and you are UNABLE to see your way, God WILL send supernatural direction your way.

Good old fashioned prayer will NOT remove your responsibility to go out and WORK to provide your family or even just your own self with the basic neccessities of life though God WILL intervene supernaturally with miraculous provision when you are UNABLE to do so for yourself.

And also Good old fashioned prayer will NOT bring healing to your body when you refuse to use the natural ability and common sense that God gave you to take care of your own health. Two wonderful Bible examples of men of God prescribing the medicinal treatments of their day rather than performing miracles of healing corroborate this.
In the Old Covenant Isaiah did NOT bring healing to Hezekiah through "Good old fashioned prayer" but rather told him to "Put a fig on it"

And in the New, the Apostle Paul who had been used in miraculous healing after miraculous healing did NOT send Timothy a prayer cloth and tell him to lay this on the afflicted area, but rather told him to use his common sense and "Take a little wine for thy stomaches sake and thine OFT infirmities."


The road you are going down with this thinking is absolutely destructive and while worn as a badge of "Faith" by many is really a badge of self righteous ignorance in so many many cases, leading to the orphaning of children, women and/or their babies being lost in childbirth, and great senseless loss of life that the Lord will SURELY require at someones hand!

I personally remember preaching in a church in the central United States. After the evening service the pastor said "Brother come in the office, I need to take care of a few things and then we will go out and eat."


Sooooo, as I am sitting there next to his desk while he is doing the books or something, his WIFE comes in the office (lovely people by the way but in that frame of mind that you seem to be entertaining) and she walks over to me, kind of pulls back her sleeve over her elbow and says "Brother, look at this, what do you think this is?"

I looked at it and saw an ugly blackish mole growing there, oh not even half the size of a dime, maybe a quarter or an eighth.

Her husband is now glancing at the two of us silently. It did not look good, but I also knew they were of that frame of mind that teaches them to do nothing BUT pray about their healing, not to use the common sense that God gave them to do for themselves what they CAN do and leave the UNdoable in Gods hands.

So I said to her as diplomatically as I could, "Well sister, that does NOT look good! Have you had that LOOKED at?"

As quick as a wink her husband jumps in, "Brother we respect your ministry here, but WE trust the Lord and you just pray for Sister ________ 's
healing."

Well I put that all out of my mind, but then several years later had some visitors visiting me, and the pastors wife asked me, Oh, Brother did you hear that sister _____________ passed away?

At first I thought she was referring to an OLDER sister of the same name, but come to find out No, it was the young one, the mother of a seven year old boy!

"Oh my goodness! How???!!!" I asked!

"Well it all started out as a little mole on her elbow, that grew into a tumor and metastisized through out her body...on and on she went. The cancer was in her brain, in her bones, her kidneys...."

All that went through my mind was "This is as close to murder as I have ever been!"

If that woman had gone to a DOCTOR he would have it taken off with a laser and it would have been outpatient work at that! She would almost certainly be with us today! That boy would STILL have his mother! That woman is dead NOT because of the Lord, NOT because of the cancer but because of an *IGNORANT* "Tempting the Lord" kind of interpretation of the wonderful promise of healing provided for at Calvary.

The funny thing is , the Pastor used that as a badge of his "Trusting the Lord" gaining entre even deeper into the group, quickly remarried, and then a short time later HE keels over dead, leaving the boy with neither mother OR father to raise him.

No, good old fashioned prayer does NOT absolve us of doing everything for ourselves that we have the ability to do, working for our daily bread, shopping for our clothes, and using the medicinal means available to us to keep our bodies HEALTHY.

Working is every bit as much trusting the Lord as going to a doctor.

Sorry to be so long, but wanted to share that personal experience with what can only be called a very deceptive UNgodly doctrine that has left a trail of dead men women boys girls and babies in its wake.
Amen. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. . God has the power of life and death. I do believe things happen for us to learn from them and it appears you are sharing your experience in this area for a purpose. That purpose is obvious. Thank you.


I had the utmost respect for a particular minister who traveled to various church with the 'healing ministry'. He said, Those of you who feel you are healed this week, don't stop taking your medication but make an appointment with your Physician. If you were indeed healed then the Doctor will tell you so, document it, and then he/she will tell you to stop taking your medication. Bring the documented proof to the church so we can officailly record the fact you have been healed.

Since this is one of a couple of threads this person [oneness man] has taken over with a hidden agenda, it would behoove us all to be very wary of the things he espouses. The only other time I have said this was when Dr. Vaughn [what he called himself] was espousing the 'serpent seed doctrine' Branhamite things on an Apostolic forum.

God heals people emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sometimes the healing is immediate, sometimes progressive, and sometimes the healing does not occur because it is a sickness unto death.

God has blessed his creation with a wonderous brain that comes up with ideas, research and studies go into these ideas, and many times cures for diseases are created because of God's leading. He has supplied us with the things we need to make our lives longer and better. This does not take away from the fact that God can heal instantaneously with or without the use od medicine. And God is so great he can heal while you are taking treatments or on medicine so that the Secular world can testify to the fact healing has occurred.

To God be the glory for the wonderous things He has done.

Blessings,
Rhoni
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:47 AM
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I have found more often than not that when a persons so called "loved one" passes away from an easily curable or preventative disease, they usually go around telling the world that the reason is because the devil was attacking him (or her), the survivor. The selfishness and self-centered thinking always astounds me in these situations.
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:16 AM
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I have found more often than not that when a persons so called "loved one" passes away from an easily curable or preventative disease, they usually go around telling the world that the reason is because the devil was attacking him (or her), the survivor. The selfishness and self-centered thinking always astounds me in these situations.
Absolutely. Of course that same justification is used in many areas of Apostolic life that a little education in scripture and rightly dividing the word can easily correct!

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