Counterfeit Faith?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Thank you.

[theoldpaths]

Your welcome.

[chosenbyone]

While driving around doing errands yesterday, I started thinking about the question of counterfiet faith. I believe that there is counterfiet faith in the world today.

The unbiblical view of faith of the "Word of Faith theology subjects God to the "laws" of faith of men. Kenneth Copeland said, "Faith is a power force. It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force.' The Force of Faith, pg 13. The faith of force is released by faith. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operations. The Force of Faith, pg 18

The bible teaches that faith is trusting in the promises of God. Faith is synonomous with "being sure".

1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Hebrews 11:1 (NIV)



Additionally, we know that God's mercy dictates what's best for our lives and not any proclamation of our selfish desires.

15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[a] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. Romans 9:15-16 (NIV)

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

"Faith is a power force. It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force.' The Force of Faith, pg 13. The faith of force is released by faith. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operations. The Force of Faith, pg 18

You outta do some more research on faith as the words above are very accurate words. Being one who knows the power of faith, the power of words, and the power of the Spirit, I love your quote above.

Your analysis is why our cemeteries are full of Christians who died prematurely, why so many can't give, and why bankruptcy, divorce, and anti-depressants are just as common in the house of God as in the world.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

You outta do some more research on faith as the words above are very accurate words. Being one who knows the power of faith, the power of words, and the power of the Spirit, I love your quote above.

Your analysis is why our cemeteries are full of Christians who died prematurely, why so many can't give, and why bankruptcy, divorce, and anti-depressants are just as common in the house of God as in the world.

I wasn't quite sure how to process what you wrote in the second paragraph above. I have a hard time understanding why you would take a personal jab when you could have asked me to explain my thoughts a little better.

I spend less time here on AFF, but when I have logged in, it was to catch up on how friends were doing and to read a inspirational post or two. Occasionally, I have posted what I had on my mind. I have tried to steer clear of the blood-letting that has been going on around here.

Lately, it has been difficult to find a thread where there wasn't someone hurling some insult or negative comment.

I felt that AFF was a small oasis from the strife of this world; where people cared and respected one another. Sadly, the last few months, I haven't seen much respect here.


This article explained what I wanted to on the subject:

Teachers in the Word Faith movement (sometimes called “Word of Faith” movement) claim that the Bible promises perfect health and unlimited prosperity to all believers. Therefore if any believers are sick or in poverty, it must be because they do not understand how to “appropriate” these promises for themselves. According to Word Faith teachers, the way to appropriate that health and wealth is through the “power of the tongue” to “confess” the believer’s faith in what he determines to be the Biblical promises of God. This creates, according to the teachings of many in this movement, a “legally binding” requirement for God to act. And thus, in their perspective, God Himself is controlled by the power of the human tongue when it speaks “the word of faith.” Just as God created the world and all in it by “His Word,” human believers are assumed to be granted the same kind of creative power in their words.

Such teachers warn their students to never pray prayers of petition to God with the conclusion “If it be Your will, Father.” For that would indicate you haven’t studied your Bible well enough to know all of His promises. If you know the promises, they insist, you know His will at any moment, and need only speak that word. Anything less is evidence you lack faith in His promises. They also insist that their students should never “pray the problem,” but rather “pray the solution”. Speaking to God about your problems is tantamount, in their eyes, to not believing that God will take care of your problem immediately if you will only “pray the solution” exactly as you find it in the Bible. the solution” exactly as you find it in the Bible.
http://emissary7.wordpress.com/2008/...th-appraising/

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I wasn't quite sure how to process what you wrote in the second paragraph above. I have a hard time understanding why you would take a personal jab when you could have asked me to explain my thoughts a little better.

I apologize if you found my statements as a "personal jab", but I believe I referred to your analysis, which by the way is very common among Christians, as one that is very dangerous and the reason why Christians suffer as they do....nothing personal except that it was your opinion. If that is the context of a personal jab then any discussion would have to be taken person.

But I had no intention to offend.

Lately, it has been difficult to find a thread where there wasn't someone hurling some insult or negative comment.

Again, where is the hurl, insult, or negative comment. Your analysis of faith as you posted is totally of base...well actually "your" comment posted wasn't off base, but your "comment" as to the quote was totally off, which you identified as a "counterfeit faith"

I[/quote]This article explained what I wanted to on the subject:

Teachers in the Word Faith movement (sometimes called “Word of Faith” movement) claim that the Bible promises perfect health and unlimited prosperity to all believers.[/quote]

I am going to break up your article a bit.

While we all know that there is sickness in the world, even good Christians get sick, doesn't the Word state that Jesus took our sickness so that we would not have to?

So to receive sickness is to deny the Word. Most Christians operate in the Word of God backwards. When sickness comes knocking they receive the sickness and try to believe for healing from the Lord.

I view my life as one that is healed, but there are occasions where sickness tries to come on my.

I do a lot of missions work, but I never wait until there is a problem at 30,000 feet in the airplane to start believing the Lord for a safe flight. I believe for a safe flight months before I leave.

So why not be what the Word has declared and resist the things that try to steal the Word (John 10:10)

Therefore if any believers are sick or in poverty, it must be because they do not understand how to “appropriate” these promises for themselves.

Well, duh? If you are not walking in the promises of God then either God is a liar or your faith is not receiving it correctly.

Who wrote this article?

According to Word Faith teachers, the way to appropriate that health and wealth is through the “power of the tongue”

I wonder if this person ever read their Bible:

Prov 18:21
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. KJV

This creates, according to the teachings of many in this movement, a “legally binding” requirement for God to act.

Covenant: a. a formal agreement of legal validity, esp. one under seal. (www.dictionary.com)

I'll stop here this article is nutty! Why do you read such stuff?