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Old 07-11-2008, 10:02 PM
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Re: PPH destroys books authored by WWPF?- Rieder n

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They ARE NOT destroying any books. And yes, I did verify that. Some of you need to learn to not be so knee-jerk and to jump on every little anti-UPC thing that is promoted. But then again, this is AFF.

Further, what really makes all of this so funny to me is that most of the ones here weeping and gnashing teeth over this are the last folks on earth who would ever buy a book written by LB and CC. After all, they are UC's. Or didn't you know that?

Further, as far as being a poor business decision, in the whole scheme of the things the value of the inventory of these few men that PPH has is an insignificant amount of their overall inventory.

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?
BAM!!!!!!!Here is where a news service worth its salt would print a retraction.....I'm waaaaiting And I don't want to see it buried on page 172 with the obits!!!

So RRFORD or DA...who's telling the truth????? he he he
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:03 PM
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BAM!!!!!!!Here is where a news service worth its salt would print a retraction.....I'm waaaaiting And I don't want to see it buried on page 172 with the obits!!!
Yep, BAM!!!!!! is right!
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:24 PM
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Re: PPH destroys books authored by WWPF?- Rieder n

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Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?
I really don't think it is any more nefarious than this. And once the assistant became a few more steps removed from the first church, and a few more years have passed, you may start selling his them again......
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:31 PM
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I really don't think it is any more nefarious than this. And once the assistant became a few more steps removed from the first church, and a few more years have passed, you may start selling his them again......
Perhaps. Time tells all.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:55 AM
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Re: PPH destroys books authored by WWPF?- Rieder n

When I think of Book Burning, more things come to my mind... it's not good. There's been book burnings in history before.
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Old 07-12-2008, 06:38 AM
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Unfortunately that is the condition of the organization (s) that so many present day apostolic men and women and young people find themselves subjected to and indoctrinated by. Makes one want to rush out to the streets yelling

"Man the barricades!!! Smash the Boxes! Up with Jesus! Down with man made religion !!!!"
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Old 07-12-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: PPH destroys books authored by WWPF?- Rieder n

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BAM!!!!!!!Here is where a news service worth its salt would print a retraction.....I'm waaaaiting And I don't want to see it buried on page 172 with the obits!!!

So RRFORD or DA...who's telling the truth????? he he he
No retraction will be give at this time ... this story is standing on all legs.

Facts that were dismissed by many initially ... and still are verifiable.

1. PPH is not selling the books anymore (period). This is indeed not denied by RRFord's editorial ... he is only opining that they have not been destroyed. He glosses over the heart of the matter (intentionally or inadvertantly?) that action was taken against these men.

2. The General board did take this action to not sell or distribute against former ministers thru edict.

3. Both RRFord and I have reliable sources that contradict each other. The news of the destruction of books also comes from a person w/ ties to the WEC and was reportedly shared weeks ago on a prominent ministerial forum. You can choose to believe whom you want on this one point. However, considering that this story was dismissed as patently false and later proven to be verifiable and corroborated on various levels and points should give pause to it's reluctant naysayers. If two books were destroyed/thrown away this story is absolutely corroborated.

4. RR, myself and others have shared opinions as to the soundness of the business acumen in making the decision not to distribute books and materials by these men. These are opinions that are rooted in the fact that PPH is close to 3 million dollars in the red ... planning to outsource it's printing ... and searching hard for answers ... including new leadership for the editorial committee.

5. The org has a history of this type of sanitizing action. This action was taken against men like Tommy Tenney, Paul Dugas (for a season) and now men like Larry Booker and Crawford Coon.

6. RRFord has a history of downplaying or "setting the record" straight on this forum ... his motives are just as obvious as some attach to me and others. Remember when certain "connected" posters told us that there were no plans for the WWPF?

Lastly, The idea that books and their authors will cause ministers to leave to the WPF is just another example of the territorialism that makes actions like these and resolution 3 normal protocol against those who may share the same doctrine but are viewed as potential threats to church franchises. Pastors would be insecure if they think what they stock in a bookstore is the deciding factor for a member choosing to leave. Selling TD Jakes books in Dallas is not a threat, is it?

Further LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS:

1. Did these authors leave in question? What is the reasoning for this edict? Does this edict to nix give impetus for these men to be placed under question in their individual districts?

2. Why hasn't the editorial committee made a decision on the R Rieder books after sitting on various letters and reportedly meeting on the matter within the last two years?
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In December this poster asked if the org ... namely the PPH would stop selling books and materials authored by leaders of the newly formed WWPF.

See this thread

A very reliable source has indicated that as of a few weeks ago the PPH has begun to destroy books authored by LB and CC. Apparently they will no longer be stocking these books. The PPH website still shows some materials on their website... however this seems to be the recourse taken.

This type of selective sanitizing/censorship/business decision is not new to the org. NAU allegedly had P. Dugas' books removed from the shelves for personal reasons."




What a total crock of doo doo!!! Whoever Dan is he is totally full of it ... NAU as you call him never did this- your story is totally unreliable, and since the materials you mention are still being sold, why don't you just drop it. Your sick fascination with trashing the UPCI is offensive and insulting. Get a life for crying out loud!
PPH no longer sells the books, period. I called and verified it. It doesn"t matter to me at all, but Daniel's right about that much.
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Lastly, consider this:

If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town?
If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?
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Yep, BAM!!!!!! is right!
My "BAM!!" on this point still stands.
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