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Old 07-11-2008, 02:24 PM
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I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.

Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?

I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:29 PM
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Re: Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

I prefer to take one from the three-steppers. "We just do what the bible says, and if it says it I am gonna do it".
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:30 PM
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Re: Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

It is not the same logic.

Saying you'll repent "after" something is not repenting at all. Had he repented while in the plane only to have to explode seconds or minutes later, I think he would be in pretty good hands.

It's a pretty weak "rebuttal".
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:34 PM
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It is not the same logic.

Saying you'll repent "after" something is not repenting at all. Had he repented while in the plane only to have to explode seconds or minutes later.
The atheist had determined to repent, without any doubt when in the presence of his father. The atheist was sincere in his actions.
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I think he would be in pretty good hands.

Likewise, if the repented person had been baptized when he/she repented, they might of been well off too before dying in a plane-crash.


All the same logic.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:36 PM
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Re: Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

He was not saved.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:38 PM
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He was not saved.
We are in agreement.

Just as an individual who has repented and yet failed to get baptized before death, they're both destined to hell and the lake of fire.
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Repentance is a frame of mind. If he planned to repent in front of his earthly father, he has repented to God.
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More screwy logic ... from the 3 step crowd.

1. Repentance is a result of a heart that has genuinely placed their faith in the salvation provided by Jesus Christ from death and our sins. Does it need

to be articulated in front of someone? No. Can their be tears and snot and not be genuine? Yes.

Hence, making the determination to repent after ... may not believing on Jesus Christ ... a believer would repent ... it's procrastination, my good friend

.... to shut up Dad ... or uncertainty in the message ... both are UNBELIEF ... and for this one is condemned.

Or maybe he did repent in his heart ... but understood that their would be a lifestyle change that would occur after stepping off that plane.

Repentance is not a one-stop shop at the altar... it is a heart that relies, surrenders, trusts, clings to Jesus Christ ... in faith and turns to Him in

action and deed.

Once again, another clear-cut example that my 3 step brethren don't know what faith means ... to them it's just mental assent.

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2. We are baptized because we are saved ... our regeneration, New Birth, according to the 1 stepper an the rest of Protest Orthodoxy, believes this happens at the point of faith and repent ...

For the baptismal regenerationist, one is forgiven at repentance but our sins are not remitted/washed/ wipe until the properly administered baptism ... this of course not found in the bible ... nor in the words of the Christ or the Apostles.

baptizer gets it right and helps in effectuating the application of the blood through his articulations.

God knows a humble and contrite ... heart he cannot reject or despise it .... therefore he knows in his Omniscience that a truly repentant life would or

would have not obeyed His Word though the love relationship He establishes in the heart of a believer.

1 Cor ... do you know what repentance really is ... and what it looks like ... since apparently you struggle with what faith is.

Are you God to know and peek into the hearts of men?

If so ... then your logic is sound.
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Re: Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

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I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.

Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?

I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.
The "spirit" of this question is sickening. May God have mercy on all of us.
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Lost as two boys kissing!

And I'm not kidding!



(For those who don't know me well enough to "get" that: I don't believe two boys kissing are lost at all. )
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