Richard Heard?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Well, I'm definitely going to ask God to let you in heaven. We may need a good chef up there. Can you do "angel food" cake?

You know a couple of months ago, I even made it from scatch! it was outstanding!

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Hey, you ride a motorcycle, you are OBVIOUSLY Charismatic!!

That's kind compared to what some thought!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Alright, now! Let's try not to make this another "bash the UPCI" discussion, OK? Currently, it's the "bash the Charismatic" discussion...please stay on topic.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

That's kind compared to what some thought!

Brother MOW,

I hold you in the highest esteem as a man of God. If I lived in your area, I would definitely attend your church.

CB1

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

You know what I'm saying????

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

You know what I'm saying????

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Sorry, Ferd. MOW and I are probably just tired of everyone saying "gone Charismatic" about anyone who doesn't hold to old time UPC standards, or is possibly PCI. I get a little touchy about it sometimes.

I understand that. we all have those kinds of things. As i said, it was quite spicific and based on the actual reality of that one situation.

Sherri, I am not above making broad generalizations from time to time, but God help me to be wise enough to limit those occasions.


Its funny. while I was posting that, i had 2 very large ex-upc churches from the Dallas area in mind. One I would consider "gone charismatic" the other not at all. Both have left teaching standards and such. but I would NEVER put the first in the same catagory as the second.

and NO MARK I aint naming names!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Ferd

it means he decided all the stuff he had preached for years would prevent him from having a big church so he stopped preaching anything related to sactification and holiness and consequently standards. he stopped preaching that it was essential to obey the gospel in the same why he did before he went charismatic. It means instead of preaching fear of the Lord and conviction, he has gone with Im ok your ok and now there is nothing to distinguish him and benny hinn except accent.

It means HE WENT CHARISMATIC.


This time Mark is right.

Out of the park and over the wall. Exactly on every point.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Sorry, Ferd. MOW and I are probably just tired of everyone saying "gone Charismatic" about anyone who doesn't hold to old time UPC standards, or is possibly PCI. I get a little touchy about it sometimes.

Probably feel the same way as some of us who are told that we are legalist, or are too ignorant to study scripture.

So I understand.

BTW, I think MOW & you would be considered more liberal instead of charismatic!

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Out of the park and over the wall. Exactly on every point.

I don't know the Heard's personally, but I do know the Shockley's and I don't think they would be a part of something that did not teach any kind of sanctification/holy living.