Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Ferd,
Can you comment on this?

well, I find the following quote most telling on the subject of B. Hussain Obamb's latest gimmick....

Some state and local governments have established separate infrastructure accounts that are not subject to balanced-budget rules as a way to finance long-range building projects. Lawmakers in Congress from both parties have flirted with the idea of a federal infrastructure account, but have backed off for fear of being accused of budgetary gimmickry designed to mask an expansion of government -- and of the federal budget deficit.

[Ferd]

Why should you NOT vote for B. Hussain Obama?

consider the following quote:

B. Hussain Obama
He said he could pay for "every single element of this economic agenda" -- primarily by ending the Iraq war and by increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthiest Americans.

Pulling out of Iraq means leaving it for Iran, Syria, and Al Quada

Raising taxes on Corporations... many people on AFF often complain about American businesses leaving for other countries....America already has the highest level of corporate taxation. raising it will drive all those that can off shore.

The wealthiest Americans means upper middle class. Ask a super rich person if they are taxed very high. the answer will be no. They are invested in Tax Free Municple Bonds where they pay ZERO taxes. The taxes they do pay are most often associated with investments where they pay capital gains rate of 15%

The wealthiest Americans will be those with high incomes....like anyone making $75K or more!

B. Hussain is a marxist who is lying thru his glib teeth.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ok ok,,,enough insults, a little beneath you don't you think?

Actually Scotty, I see a different perspective on the problem. You see oletime said he wouldn't vote for a man with the name, "Hussein", as though being of a particular racial, cultural, or lingual background makes one unworthy of a vote. I find that offensive and insulting. Anyone should. Here's what I said,

That's stupid. If you were sent to a hospital and your doctor's name was Hussein would you refuse treatment and die? What if the paramedic responding to your teenage son's car accident had that name?

Nothing I said above was untrue. It is stupid to judge a person based on racial, cultural, or lingual background. And in each example above I think any enlightened Christian would agree that they wouldn't judge a man trying to save their lives or the lives of someone they love if he had an Arab name. Also, please note, I didn't call oletime stupid, I referred to judging one based on their race, culture, or lingual back ground stupid. Honestly, I think oletime spoke from heightened emotions, and if he reads what he wrote again and realizes how it was understood, he'd agree that maybe that's not the idea he was trying to communicate. I trust he'd also agree that judging someone based on race, culture, or language is stupid.

I think this is on par with racism against Arabs. I honesly don't think Jesus (a man referred to as "Yeshua bin Yosef") would be pleased with such a spirit or attitude.

Shallow.

Nothing I said above is untrue either. First I said that it was "on par" or on the level of racism. Why'd I say this? Because while the statement can be interpreted as being racial, I still trust that's not entirely what oletime intended. So I stop short of calling it actual racism. I pointed out that Jesus himself had a Middle Eastern name, which is true. And anyone well versed with the universiality of the gospel toward all races, culturals, peoples, and tongues would agree that Jesus wouldn't be pleased with such attitudes.

Here's what is a bit disturbing. You had nothing to say about oletime's comment...but...you took time to take a jab at me. That leaves me wondering if I struck a chord? Do you think it's appropriate to judge a person based on race, cultural background, or language (namely the linguistic origin of their name)? Honestly Scotty, I'd expect you to agree with the sentiment that not only should we not be racist...but we shouldn't even allow ourselves to appear as though we might be when we're not.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

CH, I think you missed my question. Your response.......l

I believe that abortion is a most abominable expression of murder. I think that part of what makes it abominable is that it is directly connected with the life, health, and will of the mother. The mother's desire to carry the child to term is all that stands between life and death. And since our legal system has decided to place this responsibility entirely in the mother's hands, I believe women who procure abortion will be held accountable in the judgment. Given our God's love for children, I caution that it may be a "sin unto death", and unforgivable. I can pray that God will forgive a woman for an abortion, but Jesus said,

"6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." - Matthew 18:6-10

I believe that if a woman chooses abortion for any other reason than to preserve her life or health, it would be better that a millstone be hung around her neck and she be thrown into the sea.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by scotty

2 million government jobs,
government bank

(sigh) better save up this year, taxes are gonna hurt next year.

Scotty, this is to rebuild highways, bridges, airports and other public projects. The bank would most likely hand down federal block grants to the states and the states would hire contractors from the private sector to do the work. This happens all the time. They're not government jobs. And Scotty, if you don't make more than $200,000 a year, odds are you're not going to see any significant increase in your taxes.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by trickledown

Dave, I think that CH will always minor on these direct questions. He says that in America if you work hard, you are supposed to move forward. He works in a government union; this job type usually offers no advancement that is based on merit and hard work. There are multiplied protections for the laziest and least productive workers in this utopia that must be paid for by the whole.

We are not guaranteed to move forward no matter how hard we work. Many weeks, I have seen my hardest efforts reward with me with less than at other times. Our God nor our country guarantee financial advancement.

This coming week I will work more than sixty hours and I will make decisions based on my priorities. Food and housing first, then do you have credit card debt and auto loan debt that you have accumulated at the expense of not providing adequately for your families healthcare. The majority of the uninsured of working age in the US do. I think that they have chosen consumer gratification over wise health practices. Are most uninsured americans overweight? I assume this is the fault of too little government intervention. Well at least I know that if I have to pay for healthcare out of my HSA that I will find a doctor who will not over prescribe and under provide.

Again remember that CH sees UHC as a right that want cost union gov. emp. anything. It will be paid for by evil rich and evil corps who have taken advantage of him long enough.

Trickledown, that's highly offensive bro.

Working for a union or for the government is no utopia let me tell you.

What I'm talking about is the American dream. America used to be a place where if you worked hard you could make a life for yourself. What you're telling me is that the American dream is dead. You have no promises. You can work your finger to the bone and not expect anything in return. Honestly trickledown, my family are hard working blue collar folks. They remember when America worked. One could work hard and make a life of financial security for themselves. What you're saying reminds me of the slave mentality. You've been mentally and emotionally pistol whipped by the corporate masters of our society into not expecting your work to pay off or bring you higher. You've been brow beaten into just accepting that you're nothing but a wage slave. Another meaningless cog in their corporate machine. They sit in the offices and make all the profits while you and I work our fingers to the bone...to expect nothing according to you. I'm challenging that slave mentality. I believe we can make America great again. We can make America work again. We can have a country where if you work hard and you're a good employee you should expect to go higher and advance in your field, in your pay, in your abilities, and in your satisfaction of your work. I don't believe in wage slave thinking.

And the only thing that's going to energize America and make this dream possible again will be a revival of Democracy, hope, and a willingness to stand up and fight for your pea patch.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Why should you NOT vote for B. Hussain Obama?

consider the following quote:
Pulling out of Iraq means leaving it for Iran, Syria, and Al Quada

That wouldn't even be a possibility if we didn't knock down Saddam for them. Bush bit off more than we can chew. Our troop numbers are down and we don't have enough money to continue this war. If we stay, we're going to need to increase taxes to pay for it and re-institute the draft.

Raising taxes on Corporations... many people on AFF often complain about American businesses leaving for other countries....America already has the highest level of corporate taxation. raising it will drive all those that can off shore.

Actually most American corporations find tax shelters to get out of paying their fair share of taxes. Also right now the government gives tax breaks to corporations that move overseas. What we need to do is minimize tax shelters to insure that corporations are paying their fair share and then only offer generous tax breaks to corporations that remain in the US and keep labor in the US. If a company leaves the US NO tax breaks. Also if a company leaves the US we should place additional taxes on the sale of the goods in the US to make it unprofitable to leave the United States. We are the largest market in the world. They want our business and will stay if the right laws are in place.

The wealthiest Americans means upper middle class. Ask a super rich person if they are taxed very high. the answer will be no. They are invested in Tax Free Municple Bonds where they pay ZERO taxes. The taxes they do pay are most often associated with investments where they pay capital gains rate of 15%

The wealthiest Americans will be those with high incomes....like anyone making $75K or more!

B. Hussain is a marxist who is lying thru his glib teeth.

Everyone should pay their fair share to carry the tax burden. That's not Marxism.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

That wouldn't even be a possibility if we didn't knock down Saddam for them. Bush bit off more than we can chew. Our troop numbers are down and we don't have enough money to continue this war. If we stay, we're going to need to increase taxes to pay for it and re-institute the draft.

No, we will have to encourage the rest of the world to stop coddling terrorists however. Iraq has always been a basket case. Sadaam had to kill millions of his people just to maintain that status quo. We got sick of the carnage and did something about it. That whole part of the world has been a nightmare for 5,000 years.

Isn't it time that somebody somewhere dreamed of a better world? You've got a lot of dreams and hope that big government will fix your every goiter and hang nail. Why not expect a government to also do what it's supposed to do and defend the innocent from murderous thugs?

Last week in Damascus, after a party celebrating the 29th anniversary of Khomeini’s Iranian revolution, some unknown government "official" accomplished a lot of good with a little C4 and a cell phone. Now that's how I'd like to see my government at work.

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Actually most American corporations find tax shelters to get out of paying their fair share of taxes.

Can you document this? Sounds like propaganda.

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Also right now the government gives tax breaks to corporations that move overseas.

That's right. The US government is paying US corporations to relocate overseas. In fact, I'm thinking of forming several corporations in Nevada next week just to take advantage of the huge windfall opportunity!

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

What we need to do is minimize tax shelters to insure that corporations are paying their fair share and then only offer generous tax breaks to corporations that remain in the US and keep labor in the US. If a company leaves the US NO tax breaks. Also if a company leaves the US we should place additional taxes on the sale of the goods in the US to make it unprofitable to leave the United States. We are the largest market in the world. They want our business and will stay if the right laws are in place.

Chris, after you have taken someone else's money away from them, at what point do you stop yourself and say, "This is a 'fair' amount to take?"

I picture you and your Union thug buddies cornering the other kids in the bathroom at school. You go through their pockets and take their lunch money. When the kids start to complain or cry a little bit, you just slap them across the face and tell them that you're only taking "what's fair."

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Everyone should pay their fair share to carry the tax burden. That's not Marxism.

No, that's tyranny. And just like the school bullies, some day the other kids are going to stand up to you and your Union thugs.

"That's my lunch money! My mom gave it to me because she wants me to grow up and be strong!" And then you and the rest of the bullies will go running out of the bathroom crying about how 'unfair' it is when the little guys stand up to you.

[pelathais]

And on the subject of the evil tyrants in Syria and Barak Obama...

We all remember how Nancy Pelosi visited Syria to grovel about after Assad's security forces had murdered a number of key political opponents in neighboring Lebanon.

Well, last week there were three visitors of interest in Damascus. Two of them were the top foreign policy advisors to Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton, respectively.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, the likely Secretary of State in any future Obama administration was schmoozing with those who had planted the car bomb that killed former Lebanese Prime Minister Hariri.

Also visiting Damascus was Hillary Clinton's National Finance Chair, Hassan Nemazee. The big party was the celebration of the the 29th Anniversary of Ayatollah Khomeni's take over of Iran and the subsequent ordeal of the United States embassy staff being held hostage for over a year. Of course, all of the Democrats wanted to be at that party, just to show how they have "grown" since the Carter administration.

And then we had a literal "blast from the past." Turns out that the same guy who was responsible for the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks, the multiple bombings of the U.S. embassy in Beirut, the TWA hijacking that left one American beaten to death on an airport tarmac, the slow torture death of William Buckley as well as many other kidnappings and terror related activities was in Damascus for the same round of parties.

Oh, and there was a fourth visitor of interest. His only contribution to the celebrations was a brief call to a cell phone sewn into the headrest of our third guest's automobile.

But questions remain. What kind of people go to these kinds of parties? And, why do you want these kind of people running your country?

[Sister Alvear]

Such a maze of words...I feel lost trying to even understand and know what pieces of truth can be found in the lies of politicians....I can see why the first Christians did not mix in such a life style ...especially politics that turns brother against brother...