*BREAKING*Tulsa gathering beginning to unravel!

[StillStanding]

Folks, those that are remaining in the UPCI should lay out the red carpet (at the exit door) for those wanting out! Make it as enjoyable an experience as possible, because you don't want them to change their mind and return!

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Folks, those that are remaining in the UPCI should lay out the red carpet (at the exit door) for those wanting out! Make it as enjoyable an experience as possible, because you don't want them to change their mind and return!

I errrrrr ummmmmm uhhhhhh agree with someone elses comment earlier on one of these here threads.... where is that door?!

I am sorry but it is silly! Let them go... and stay.... gone...

[Elfin]

Oh - fun!! I just now saw all the comments regarding my profound hacking abilities. So, I thought I'd pop up again and give y'all the 411 on how I came about "discovering" the "secret list in progress." I'll throw in a few quotes for fun, considering so much was said, I'd like to address anyone who questioned my methods and motives.

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

The site was actually "hacked" into. It was not set to open until December 26. (I was told this by one of the Executive Council members.) Someone on this forum found a way through the "back door" of the site. Thus, it was NOT supposed to be public yet.

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I have looked at the site myself, perhaps someone didnt know that it was up and thought it was just the rought draft they were looking at...or is someone trying to cover up their mistakes maybe blaming it on hackers???

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

"Hacked," as you might note, was put in quotes. It was the best word I could think of at the moment...I simply meant that the site was not ready for public disclosure.

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

Normally you would find a non-visible page by scanning the website using hacker tools. I am not saying that this is a case, it could have just been a guess, though that is unlikely.

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

The page is accessible on the internet, but could not be found without some hacking tools. (Or a good guess) I am not saying that it was hacked, because it could just have been a good guess.

As most of you have figured out - no the site was not "hacked" into... I do find it funny that, Pentecostisalive, you thought that it was highly unlikely that I found the published pages through a good guess and assumed I took the much more complicated and nefarious route of being some sort of hacking expert w/ hacking tools to find public pages.

Just to clear things up - I noticed the site was using .php, and I actually found the public pages on the first guess. I actually was a little bit surprised that they were just up for the viewing.

Originally Posted by bishopnl

Somebody, I don't remember who it was, explained how someone with a little bit of knowledge concerning .php could make an educated guess about the page in question.

I know Elfin, and I'd be willing to stake my next year's salary that she used no hacking tools in finding the address for that particular page.

Good...you won't be thrown into poverty b/c of me. Your speculations were spot on. I knew it was .php, had a good guess. Oh, and Daniel Alicea and Pelathais - Once I figured it out through that means, it did occur to me to try the Google spider bot, as well (um...not a "hacking tool" btw, for those of you who don't know) - and the page came up there anyway. *shrugs*



Now, regarding technical incompetence vs. the "ethics" of finding a public page on a site that's under construction and sharing it on the board...

Originally Posted by embonpoint

The website was under construction it appears more like technical incompetence than the other nefarious motives speculated on here on AFF.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

It could be that they are not as computer savvy as some of us are, and did not realize that just because the front page is listed as under construction that someone can get into the rest of it still.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The incompetence is in publishing an unconfirmed list on the information highway for all eyes to see.

Originally Posted by Amos

How about the ethics involved in going in and copying pages off a web site that was not intended to be released yet?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Incompetency has published a list for public consumption twice now ... first on the Apostolic Bible Quizzing site ... then on the WPF site.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I have to think that pride may be blinding the website owners when it comes to publishing these fluid lists twice on the public domain... These lists should, of course, have been kept private until the meetings in Tulsa and all the ministers contacted and confirmed.

Originally Posted by Amos

I do think it was obviously something under construction, not ready to be unveiled publicly, and I think that these great, ethical folks who want to hang the Tulsa men on supposed ethicalissues have just made themselves look foolish by posting this all over the net.

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

The only foolish person here is the person building the website.
IF they didn't want the list published DON"T EVEN PUT IT UP...NOT EVEN ON THE TEST PAGE!

I'm not a computer wizard but IMO a test page is just to make sure it's all working, not to actually list IMPORTANT IFO! like a sample page

I make no apologies for doing a really quick less than 30 second "test" to see if /page.php extension got me any content. Yes, obviously the site was "under construction." But the information posted there was on the WORLD WIDE WEB...not even on an unrelated STAGING SITE w/ a totally different ip domain name. *shrugs* Honestly, what people post publicly on the internet is not my concern. If it's meant to be "private" or "privileged" information, there are steps to be taken to protect it. Those steps were not taken in this case. Man, especially w/ the list being a "wish list" of sorts...honestly, how little knowledge do you have to have to realize that posting it on the internet...even "hidden" behind a blank page that says "Under Construction" might not be the wisest course of action.


Now - all that aside - I guess i can kind of understand and be sympathetic for the few of you that feel that just b/c I found the information doesn't mean I should have shared it.

But let me put it this way - despite all the complaining that the pages weren't meant to be public - the information is still up live on the site right now, isn't it?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Elfin

But let me put it this way - despite all the complaining that the pages weren't meant to be public - the information is still up live on the site right now, isn't it?

Only if you have internet access.....

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Now, Sis, THIS is the insight that is needed here in this thread. Exactly, this fellowship could be a tool to be used by God for some purpose. The UPCI has gone through several phases since its inception and is not exactly what it was when it was formed.

Is the opposite possible? Possibly but there has been plenty of conjecture that this is the case and so the point you mentioned above should get more press. Sadly, here, I don't think it will.

I kind of forgot the potential of God having a role in all this....honest.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Issues don't split organizations or churches, people split churches and organizations.

I think that between all this conjecture and bantering from all different sides the truth avoids us. In fact the result of Tulsa is something that is going to disappoint us because it will be as dynamic as a fourth of July fireworks display in the middle of a trailer park.

I hate it when people bump their own posts, but I kind of liked this one...

[chseeads]

I've not read EVERYTHING about this, but what is the big hullaballoo?

You don't have to hack to find the webpage....you don't even have to cough....lol....just Google it and it pulls it up plain as day.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Bout the 7th link down.....

[Elfin]

Originally Posted by chseeads

I've not read EVERYTHING about this, but what is the big hullaballoo?

You don't have to hack to find the webpage....you don't even have to cough....lol....just Google it and it pulls it up plain as day.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Bout the 7th link down.....

Aww, man! I kinda' liked the hacker moniker for a while. Way to discredit my infamy.

[chseeads]

Easy come, easy go....maybe you can start your own forum for Internet hackers since your rep got ruined here...*cough*

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Elfin

Aww, man! I kinda' liked the hacker moniker for a while. Way to discredit my infamy.

Don't you hate that?

You find yourself famous and you're riding the wave, when some smart-elic brings you down!