I just talked with "Thomas Fudge"

[Neck]

Folks I just got off a 2 hour conversation via phone with Thomas Fudge.

Author of “Christianity without the Cross”.

I found him to be a very engaging person.

We talked about mutual folks we know and have known over the years.

We talked about some very interesting follow-up to his book.

He shared with me in a 2004 symposium that was held in St. Louis on the information written in his book.

He actually flew to St Louis and attended the symposium.

He was recognized by the panel as being in attendance.

Both David Bernard and Robert Sabin refuted claims in his book.

They however offered no supporting information to counter his claims.

Thomas told me that he has several taped conversations with men that he interviewed starting in 1999.

30 or so have since passed away.

I shared with him that we should have these taped interviews converted to media files.

We could also have many of these documents scanned.

The purpose would be to create a website of the artifacts collected during his research.

Within in this website he could add updates to any articles and items found that folks have been sending him since his book was published.

I find that the history of the merger between the PCI and PA-JC is a fascinating historical union within Pentecost.

We talked about the failed merger talks with the same organizations dating back to 1938.




I asked him about Agnes N. Ozman-LaBerge and her recanting her experiences of Topeka, KS.

His told me his research led him to her writings on her recanting some of the claims that Charles Parham claimed to have happened.

She did not recant her Hold Spirit experience but many of the claims of her writing in tongues were simply overstated.

I plan on meeting with him in the near future.

I am interested in reading and hearing much of his research material.

It simply was one the best conversations I have ever experienced!

Nathan Eckstadt

[SDG]

Fascinating. Does he read the forum, Neck?

[Thad]

call him back and ask him to come on AFF and debate us


would you?

[Thad]

Earth Over ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Folks I just got off a 2 hour conversation via phone with Thomas Fudge.

Author of “Christianity without the Cross”.

I found him to be a very engaging person.

We talked about mutual folks we know and have known over the years.

We talked about some very interesting follow-up to his book.

He shared with me in a 2004 symposium that was held in St. Louis on the information written in his book.

He actually flew to St Louis and attended the symposium.

He was recognized by the panel as being in attendance.

Both David Bernard and Robert Sabin refuted claims in his book.

They however offered no supporting information to counter his claims.

Thomas told me that he has several taped conversations with men that he interviewed starting in 1999.

30 or so have since passed away.

I shared with him that we should have these taped interviews converted to media files.

We could also have many of these documents scanned.

The purpose would be to create a website of the artifacts collected during his research.

Within in this website he could add updates to any articles and items found that folks have been sending him since his book was published.

I find that the history of the merger between the PCI and PA-JC is a fascinating historical union within Pentecost.

We talked about the failed merger talks with the same organizations dating back to 1938.




I asked him about Agnes N. Ozman-LaBerge and her recanting her experiences of Topeka, KS.

His told me his research led him to her writings on her recanting some of the claims that Charles Parham claimed to have happened.

She did not recant her Hold Spirit experience but many of the claims of her writing in tongues were simply overstated.

I plan on meeting with him in the near future.

I am interested in reading and hearing much of his research material.

It simply was one the best conversations I have ever experienced!

Nathan Eckstadt

As I heard, Bro Fudge was in attendance and his book was being discussed in terms as to , what do we do about this?

Br. Norris saw that T Fudge was there and asked him if he would address the forum.

I can't recall who the "chair" was, but they would not allow questions to be asked and answered of Bro Fudge.

It was quite laughable, as they had just had quite a discussion as to how we needed to be able to dialogue with theologians with degrees.


Yeah "we" s pretty scared of Thomas Fudge.

Br Norris, I understand, was a little embarrased that Fudge was not allowed after he had been asked.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Fascinating. Does he read the forum, Neck?

I did not want to mention. That I may be turning him on to the forum. If he comes in we will not know who he is....

I found him to be a fasinating man...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Thad

Earth Over ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

When it comes to historical documents and interviews that are from those who were part of the merger.

Who or what is there to debate?

Acts 2:38?

His book details two organizations that came together solely for their common understanding of the Oneness of God.

That is why my father in the 1960's and 70's preached mainly on the Oneness of God.

So when he went to the southeast, they would let him preach...

[ManOfWord]

I spent some time talking with him and sharing information with him also when he was writing his book. I found him to be very kind and engaging. I don't think his work was sloppy, but by his own admission, it wasn't exhaustive.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

As I heard, Bro Fudge was in attendance and his book was being discussed in terms as to , what do we do about this?

Br. Norris saw that T Fudge was there and asked him if he would address the forum.

I can't recall who the "chair" was, but they would not allow questions to be asked and answered of Bro Fudge.

It was quite laughable, as they had just had quite a discussion as to how we needed to be able to dialogue with theologians with degrees.


Yeah "we" s pretty scared of Thomas Fudge.

Br Norris, I understand, was a little embarrased that Fudge was not allowed after he had been asked.

Thomas Fudge told me that he thougt that Norris with PHD from Temple University would have given a paper more historical.

Instead he delivered a paper trying to refute the book.

The room was surprised that Fudge showed up.

He mentioned to me that "Bro Lewis" who ran the archieves for the UPC.

Met with him the last time he went to HQ to do some more research.

Which they denied him access.

He told Bro Lewis when I am done with my research material.

Where would be a good place to have the items on display for future resource material.

He told Bro Lewis it would be here at the UPCI HQ.

But he told Bro Lewis I will not give you these materials.

Because you will keep them under lock and key.

[Ferd]

I would love to see him come by here.