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Old 03-04-2007, 10:26 AM
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His or Not His?: God is pouring out His Spirit

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is defined by many as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the Body of Christ at the moment of salvation.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 and Romans 6:1-4 are the central passages in the Bible where we find this doctrine. 1 Corinthians 12:13 states, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

NOW IF THIS BE TRUE ....


and Wikipedia and other sources report:

The largest Pentecostal denominations in the United States are the Assemblies of God, the Church of God in Christ, New Testament Church, Church of God (Cleveland), Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the United Pentecostal Church. According to a Spring 1998 article in Christian History, there are about 11,000 different Pentecostal or charismatic denominations worldwide.

The size of Pentecostalism in the U.S. is estimated to be more than 20 million including approximately 918,000 (4%) of the Hispanic-American population, counting all unaffiliated congregations, although the numbers are uncertain, in part because some tenets of Pentecostalism are held by members of non-Pentecostal denominations in what has been called the charismatic movement. Toronto Canada, has a large Pentecostal population. The influence of immigrants from Jamaica, Africa, Latin America, Korea and basically everywhere, have created diverse churches throughout the city.

Pentecostalism was estimated to number around 115 million followers worldwide in 2000; lower estimates place the figure near to 22 million (eg. Cambridge Encyclopedia), while the highest estimates apparently place the figure between 400 and 600 million. The great majority of Pentecostals are to be found in Developing Countries (see the Statistics subsection below), although much of their international leadership is still North American. Pentecostalism is sometimes referred to as the "third force of Christianity.

If this be true .... and we assume these millions, for the most part, have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost .... ARE THEY HIS OR NOT HIS???


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Old 03-04-2007, 12:33 PM
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The Name of Jesus is what sets His children apart- not the Holy Ghost. IMO
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:40 PM
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They are His.
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They are His.
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Old 03-04-2007, 04:34 PM
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I believe that God is the only one that knows for sure who would enter into his kingdom. I believe in the Apostolic doctrine, but I know that God's grace and mercy are limitless.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." John 6:47
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I believe that God is the only one that knows for sure who would enter into his kingdom. I believe in the Apostolic doctrine, but I know that God's grace and mercy are limitless.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." John 6:47
I agree Chosen ... only God knows for sure ....

but Paul seems to be saying that all Spirit-filled Christians are baptized into one body .... 1 Corinthians 12:13 states, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

This same verse is used by many to argue that Holy Ghost baptism is required for salvation.

but my question is not about whether or not they are saved ...

but if they are part of the Body ...

denominations and organizations have decided with whom they will fellowship and who they consider as part of the Body ... so the question still remains ARE THEY OR THEY NOT HIS?
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Well, I am upset! I re-wrote history on wiki a few months ago. Someone has changed what I wrote!
Then do your homework partner ... Everyone from the "trusted' and "reliable" New York Times to the National Inquirer ... knows about the explosive growth of Pentecostalism ....
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I did my homework. Someone completely blotted out my contributions, erasing the merger history of the P.A.J.C. and the P.C.I. *shrugs*
You may want ask J.L. Hall about it.

See: http://www.upci.org/historical/pione...er/rdtmrgr.htm
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If God is omniscient and is the ONLY one who can baptize someone with Himself, then it would stand to reason that they are completely accepted by Him. To presume otherwise, IMO, is dangerous, ludicrous and just plain not smart.

How can a mere man or woman conclude that God gives His spirit to someone whom He has not accepted except by the acceptance of man's interpretation of scripture instead of God's actions. Our interpretation needs to line up with God's actions or we don't correctly understand His word.

It's not rocket science..........they are HIS!!!!!!
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You may want ask J.L. Hall about it.

See: http://www.upci.org/historical/pione...er/rdtmrgr.htm
I'm not asking him anything...
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