Hello From Tampa!

[Nahum]

I am sorry I have not been able to post much since I've been in Tampa. I did do my best to feed election results to Daniel as soon as I could though. Hope that helped you folks out.

After talking to several District Secretary's and polling a group of men from across geographical lines of the fellowship I feel I can say the following with a measure of confidence. BTW, this information is my opinion only, and does not constitute any inside info from any particular source.

1. Very few men believe the resolution will pass in it's current form. In fact, absolutely no one I have spoken with believes it will pass.

2. There is talk that the Ohio District will attempt to amend the resolution the minute it is announced tomorrow. This move would serve the purpose of luring undecided voters across the aisle by defining what the word "advertising" means.

Two possibilities are being mentioned currently. First is defining advertising by the length of the ads. Second is the idea of one central dept. being the sole entity allowed to advertise within the org. No one I have spoken with believes the resolution will pass even if it is amended as I have mentioned.

3. The wheel of change turns slowly. A wise elder mentioned a comparable issue from a few years back that took a lot of time to push through. The issue was term limits. He stated that it took four or five years to reach a compromise everyone could live with.

4. Brother Haney handled today's business session with grace and dignity. There was a brief moment of excellence during a lapse in activity today. I did not write down the exact quote, but the gist of his remarks was this.

(paraphrasing) "This gospel needs to circle the globe. We do not need to be afraid to take what we have to the world. We need to cling tight to what we have as we reach out to other denominations."

"Don't be afraid of what I just said, we are not inviting them in here, we are taking this to them. Everyone needs to hear this message."

"We should be thankful for what we have, but not ARROGANT."

[SDG]

So ... you're feeling is it won't pass tomorrow, PP?

What were your thoughts and feelings on Haney's message, tonite?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So ... you're feeling is it won't pass tomorrow, PP?

What were your thoughts and feelings on Haney's message, tonite?

I have a hard time believing it will pass, tradition is a powerful thing! The only chance it has is for some really heavy hitters, including surprise supporters, to amend it, and appeal to the hearts and minds of the men present.

This is an evangelism issue.


I thought Brother Haney did a wonderful job tonight. There were some ideas I questioned, but it was a very solid message overall. He appealed to the base, which is exactly what any good leader is supposed to do.

This entire time period must be very troubling for him. He is such a positive, upbeat person, and this issue is blocking the sun.

[SDG]

I thought Brother Haney did a wonderful job tonight. There were some ideas I questioned, but it was a very solid message overall. .

What ideas did you question?

He appealed to the base, which is exactly what any good leader is supposed to do.

This entire time period must be very troubling for him. He is such a positive, upbeat person, and this issue is blocking the sun.

What part[s] of the message in particular did you think was appealing to the base? Were any remarks, in your opinion, politically motivated?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What ideas did you question?
What in particular did you think was appealing to the base? Were any remarks, in your opinion, politically motivated?

I'm not in the mood to commit suicide tonight Daniel.


His remarks to the base were regarding holiness and rigidity. Those remarks garnered the best response of the night.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I'm not in the mood to commit suicide tonight Daniel.


His remarks to the base were regarding holiness and rigidity. Those remarks garnered the best response of the night.

I think he did a solid job pandering to the right in order to quell their fears that the fellowship is compromising ... I just hope it was the right tactic ..... His words could bite him tomorrow.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am sorry I have not been able to post much since I've been in Tampa. I did do my best to feed election results to Daniel as soon as I could though. Hope that helped you folks out.

After talking to several District Secretary's and polling a group of men from across geographical lines of the fellowship I feel I can say the following with a measure of confidence. BTW, this information is my opinion only, and does not constitute any inside info from any particular source.

1. Very few men believe the resolution will pass in it's current form. In fact, absolutely no one I have spoken with believes it will pass.

2. There is talk that the Ohio District will attempt to amend the resolution the minute it is announced tomorrow. This move would serve the purpose of luring undecided voters across the aisle by defining what the word "advertising" means.

Two possibilities are being mentioned currently. First is defining advertising by the length of the ads. Second is the idea of one central dept. being the sole entity allowed to advertise within the org. No one I have spoken with believes the resolution will pass even if it is amended as I have mentioned.

3. The wheel of change turns slowly. A wise elder mentioned a comparable issue from a few years back that took a lot of time to push through. The issue was term limits. He stated that it took four or five years to reach a compromise everyone could live with.

4. Brother Haney handled today's business session with grace and dignity. There was a brief moment of excellence during a lapse in activity today. I did not write down the exact quote, but the gist of his remarks was this.

(paraphrasing) "This gospel needs to circle the globe. We do not need to be afraid to take what we have to the world. We need to cling tight to what we have as we reach out to other denominations."

"Don't be afraid of what I just said, we are not inviting them in here, we are taking this to them. Everyone needs to hear this message."

"We should be thankful for what we have, but not ARROGANT."

Sounds to me that Kenneth Haney did not say anything new.

From

Goss
Morgan
Fauss
Chambers
Urshan
Haney

We need to bring our message "to them..."

Friendship needs to be extended to others oustside the organization before the ground will be ready to plant your message.

That is my thoughts....

[Felicity]

I think that Bro. Haney preached a good solid message tonight. I think he would love to have said more of what he felt but wisdom prevented it. People hang on every word and in that position you have to keep it very much in mind I guess.

I would love to have heard him just "let loose".

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am sorry I have not been able to post much since I've been in Tampa. I did do my best to feed election results to Daniel as soon as I could though. Hope that helped you folks out.

After talking to several District Secretary's and polling a group of men from across geographical lines of the fellowship I feel I can say the following with a measure of confidence. BTW, this information is my opinion only, and does not constitute any inside info from any particular source.

1. Very few men believe the resolution will pass in it's current form. In fact, absolutely no one I have spoken with believes it will pass.

2. There is talk that the Ohio District will attempt to amend the resolution the minute it is announced tomorrow. This move would serve the purpose of luring undecided voters across the aisle by defining what the word "advertising" means.

Two possibilities are being mentioned currently. First is defining advertising by the length of the ads. Second is the idea of one central dept. being the sole entity allowed to advertise within the org. No one I have spoken with believes the resolution will pass even if it is amended as I have mentioned.

3. The wheel of change turns slowly. A wise elder mentioned a comparable issue from a few years back that took a lot of time to push through. The issue was term limits. He stated that it took four or five years to reach a compromise everyone could live with.

4. Brother Haney handled today's business session with grace and dignity. There was a brief moment of excellence during a lapse in activity today. I did not write down the exact quote, but the gist of his remarks was this.

(paraphrasing) "This gospel needs to circle the globe. We do not need to be afraid to take what we have to the world. We need to cling tight to what we have as we reach out to other denominations."

"Don't be afraid of what I just said, we are not inviting them in here, we are taking this to them. Everyone needs to hear this message."

"We should be thankful for what we have, but not ARROGANT."

Man, I just can't believe this is going to happen. Why does an Apostolic people need to advertise on Television? Brothers please don't do this, please don't. Don't allow television into the UPCI.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I think he did a solid job pandering to the right in order to quell their fears that the fellowship is compromising ... I just hope it was the right tactic ..... His words could bite him tomorrow.

I don't know if I would say he pandered.

How in the world could anything he said tonight "bite him?"

Even the most liberal UPC folks agreed with almost everything he said.