Holy Ghost

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That's actually a very good question. I don't know the answer to that. I never have thought that backsiders need to get refilled with the Holy Ghost but I do think they need to repent. What do you think?

I do not believe backsliders posses the Holy Ghost in their backslidden state.
I do believe they need to repent and be renewed in the Holy Ghost just like anyone else would.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I do not believe backsliders posses the Holy Ghost in their backslidden state.
I do believe they need to repent and be renewed in the Holy Ghost just like anyone else would.

At what POINT is one considered backslid?

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

At what POINT is one considered backslid?

MTD thats a good question. It may not be a point it may be a process. Its definitely worth looking at. And It may be different per individual.

Also there may be benchmarks that if passed it is obvious a person is backslid.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

MTD thats a good question. It may not be a point it may be a process. Its definitely worth looking at. And It may be different per individual.

Also there may be benchmarks that if passed it is obvious a person is backslid.

I agree it is a process. It seems only Jesus who knows the hearts of all men knows at what point HE considers one backslid or when he actually cuts one off.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

2 Corinthians 13:5,

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

You two don't know if God has given up jfrog to a reprobate mind, and yet you both adamantly proclaim that either he never received the Holy Spirit, or that God took the Holy Spirit away from him. The Scriptures declare that Jesus Christ, as the Life-Giving Spirit, continues to dwell in a person unless or except they are reprobates, yet you're both so sure of your positions, even in the face of Paul's writings.

Therefore, since you don't know if jfrog is reprobate you can't possibly know whether God actually did originally give him the Holy Spirit, or took It away.

Paul never states what you have just said. Neither do the the other writers in the New Testament. That is 100% false doctrine to tell someone unless they are a rebrobate they still have the HG.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

2 Corinthians 13:5,

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

You two don't know if God has given up jfrog to a reprobate mind, and yet you both adamantly proclaim that either he never received the Holy Spirit, or that God took the Holy Spirit away from him. The Scriptures declare that Jesus Christ, as the Life-Giving Spirit, continues to dwell in a person unless or except they are reprobates, yet you're both so sure of your positions, even in the face of Paul's writings.

Therefore, since you don't know if jfrog is reprobate you can't possibly know whether God actually did originally give him the Holy Spirit, or took It away.

By his own confession he doesn't have it. And God didn't take anything away more like he had no place for it. He may of had the Holy Ghost but it never had him and that's very obvious.

Most importantly this a null situation, because it's not even a real scenario, nor is JFrog a real person. I mean I'm sure he's a person but not who he's claiming to be so I take everything he says the same way.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Paul never states what you have just said. Neither do the the other writers in the New Testament. That is 100% false doctrine to tell someone unless they are a rebrobate they still have the HG.

Sad part is he's defending someone who's only playing games by being here anyway. By his own confession he knows he doesn't have the Holy Ghost, but yet Votive is trying to convince him he does cuz he can still Hyundai Kawasaki Yamaha and tie my bow tie. If anyone should know they got it or don't it should be that person. I agree with him he doesn't have it, and I believe he probably never really did. If he did he have it, it didn't really have him. Because he's forgot all about it, and has passed it off as common.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

By his own confession he doesn't have it. And God didn't take anything away more like he had no place for it. He may of had the Holy Ghost but it never had him and that's very obvious.

Nice job accusing God again. The amazing thing about the Holy Ghost is that you can’t accuse me of anything regarding it without also accusing God.

Most importantly this a null situation, because it's not even a real scenario, nor is JFrog a real person. I mean I'm sure he's a person but not who he's claiming to be so I take everything he says the same way.

More lies. Isn’t it against your religion to lie?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Sad part is he's defending someone who's only playing games by being here anyway. By his own confession he knows he doesn't have the Holy Ghost, but yet Votive is trying to convince him he does cuz he can still Hyundai Kawasaki Yamaha and tie my bow tie. If anyone should know they got it or don't it should be that person. I agree with him he doesn't have it, and I believe he probably never really did. If he did he have it, it didn't really have him. Because he's forgot all about it, and has passed it off as common.

Votive offered an idea that reconciled the issue. It may or may not be true but that is far further than you have gotten. Your acting like the devil with all your accusations.

Jfrog is fake
Jfrog is someone else
Jfrog is playing games
The Holy Ghost never had jfrog
He Holy Ghost wasn’t given to jfrog
God didn’t give the Holy Ghost to jfrog

The funny thing is that you don’t even realize you aren’t just accusing me but that you are also accusing God. Go repent.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Paul never states what you have just said. Neither do the the other writers in the New Testament. That is 100% false doctrine to tell someone unless they are a rebrobate they still have the HG.

Well the Bible also doesn’t say when someone loses the Holy Spirit. I’d say votive’s quote at least gives evidence for his belief. Where’s the evidence for yours?