Revelation Chapters 21 and 22... later 19 and 20 - Page 7

mfblume · #61 06-07-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume most of the FP that I have communicated with do seem intelligent thus I cannot blame ignorance on their absurd statements so I think they make them up to cover their gross error. I am sorry it seems somewhat dishonest to me, but you know them better than I so I could be wrong. If I am how could seemingly intelligent men be so absurd?

I really think they are forcing scirpture to say what they feel they have no choice to derive from it. It is a battle to come to grips with beliefs to be wrong when you have stood for them for a certain amount of time. Traditions stick hard.

To me, it's plain as day that a statement is wrong that says there is no more death means more than saying physical death continues to exist and take people away from life and that it is a spiritual issue disregarding such physical death. Same with the nature of the resurrection in 1 Cor 15. It's so plainly a physical one.

But I saw the mindset of ful preterism, in my opinion. SOME folks are convinced that certain scriptures cannot mean anything else than an FP viewpoint, for example. And the only way to fit still other passages into the scheme is to take leaps of ill reason to maintain their overall view. But they think they have to do this. This is what I think is the major difference between full and partial preterism. FP's know, themselves, that anyone who would read Rev 22 or 1 Cor 15 would not conclude what FP proposes from them. But they claim OTHER passages are "clearly" FP, and the only way to take the first set of passages is to stretch them to fit an FP freamework. So they take the risk and leap.

Evang.Benincasa · #62 06-09-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

Thank you Bro. Blume.
Unsure why Bro. Benincasa has become so antagonistic, but it is very distracting from the flow of the thread.
I have gleaned some from Bro. Benicasa in times past, but his insistance on trying to prove or corner Bro. Blume on something is not very mature. IMHO

Brother, the reason I hold Brother Blume's feet to the fire was because of his stance against Fulfilled Eschatology in times past. His insistent posture of holding to a victim's position was also discussed. Brother Blume has called Fulfilled Eschatology "Devilish" and I was just merely trying to get Brother Blume to fess up on that comment and others.

Anyone who can call a person immature while doing so behind an alias is amazing.

I'm glad I could of been some assitance to you and hope I could get to meet you in person.

Time proves all things in the long run. What do you think of men praying for people and gold teeth fillings appearing in the mouths of those they had prayed for? I am Interested to know your thoughts on that issue.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Steve Epley · #63 06-09-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, the reason I hold Brother Blume's feet to the fire was because of his stance against Fulfilled Eschatology in times past. His insistent posture of holding to a victim's position was also discussed. Brother Blume has called Fulfilled Eschatology "Devilish" and I was just merely trying to get Brother Blume to fess up on that comment and others.

Anyone who can call a person immature while doing so behind an alias is amazing.

I'm glad I could of been some assitance to you and hope I could get to meet you in person.

Time proves all things in the long run. What do you think of men praying for people and gold teeth fillings appearing in the mouths of those they had prayed for? I am Interested to know your thoughts on that issue.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I do NOT believe for one instance God fills teeth with gold.

Evang.Benincasa · #64 06-09-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe for one instance God fills teeth with gold.

I'm right with you on that one elder. Ruth Heflin was a gold tooth guru back in the 1980s. Why would God fill a tooth with gold? Men who are so into proving what they believe chapter and verse are caught up into the gold filling and gold dust craze and for what? Time proves all things.

Revelationist · #65 06-09-2007, 08:10 PM

This is not what this thread is about guys... stay on the topic please... and show love...

Jerry Moon

Revelationist · #66 06-09-2007, 08:12 PM

Rev 21:7-9
e that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

KJV

I think that mose people will agree with this... there is a place that the unbelievers go...

Jerry Moon

Revelationist · #67 06-09-2007, 08:13 PM

Rev 21:9-10

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
KJV

Again, John is told that he's going to see the Lambs wife... and what does it see? The great city, the holy Jerusalem... what is it? The church. Remember, verse one.. it's a revelation of Jesus Christ....

Jerry Moon