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10-14-2016, 08:31 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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who?I'm curious what assembly you would associate Paul with, then. Or the Eunuch.
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Paul assembled with whatever assembly existed in town. He began his ministry as a missionary from the church in Antioch, if I am not mistaken. He traveled to areas where there were no Christians, and established churches in those areas via evangelism. He would remain in an area assembled with the brethren there for awhile, then continue on his missionary outreach. He had the oversight of those fledgling churches until they each could develop native eldership. He was not a lone ranger, either, during his missionary efforts.
As for the eunuch, nothing is said of him being a member of any church. From history, though, it is likely he brought the gospel back to Ethiopia, possibly founding the first church there. Ethiopia has a Christian history almost as old as Jerusalem.
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10-15-2016, 02:15 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
1 Corinthians 5:3 seems to indicate that Paul believed he could be physically absent from the Corinthian assembly, and yet still be joined with them when they assembled, as it were, in "spirit".
So how does that work?
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Hebrews 12:23,
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To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect...
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This doesn't seem local.
John was exiled to Patmos, and there is no record of there being any other believers there with whom John could assemble. If this is the case, does this mean John was no longer a part of the church because he wasn't assembling at a local level?
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10-15-2016, 02:33 AM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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1 Corinthians 5:3 seems to indicate that Paul believed he could be physically absent from the Corinthian assembly, and yet still be joined with them when they assembled, as it were, in "spirit".
So how does that work?
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I mentioned that in an earlier post. The context was judicial, and indicates his apostolic authority was in agreement with the church's excommunication of the offender.
Why not?
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John was exiled to Patmos, and there is no record of there being any other believers there with whom John could assemble. If this is the case, does this mean John was no longer a part of the church because he wasn't assembling at a local level?
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I never claimed a believer was or could be a " non member" of a local assembly. Local does not mean near-by, by local I mean "in a location". A member of Congress who is kidnapped and dropped off on Gilligan's Isle doesn't cease to be a Congressman for that reason alone.
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10-17-2016, 08:33 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
Not exactly the subject of the original post but related to baptism. Two weeks ago our church had another of our "Praise & Worship" nights on a Friday night that I have written about. They are done about quarterly and are on Friday nights. At the end there is a baptismal service and then the sermon is on baptism at our four weekend church services Saturday and Sunday and those services also end with baptisms. This past one I believe the final count was 77 people baptized in Jesus name.
Regarding who baptizes who our pastors baptize folks but also father's baptize children, folks who led friends to Christ also sometimes baptize them, etc.
In the 7 1/2 year history of our church I believe we have baptized over 1,000 people in Jesus name.
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10-17-2016, 09:04 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
cool! 
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10-17-2016, 09:22 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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Not exactly the subject of the original post but related to baptism. Two weeks ago our church had another of our "Praise & Worship" nights on a Friday night that I have written about. They are done about quarterly and are on Friday nights. At the end there is a baptismal service and then the sermon is on baptism at our four weekend church services Saturday and Sunday and those services also end with baptisms. This past one I believe the final count was 77 people baptized in Jesus name.
Regarding who baptizes who our pastors baptize folks but also father's baptize children, folks who led friends to Christ also sometimes baptize them, etc.
In the 7 1/2 year history of our church I believe we have baptized over 1,000 people in Jesus name.
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So realistically, we're talking #'s around 150-200 genuinely baptized, wouldn't u say...
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Last edited by shag; 10-17-2016 at 09:48 AM.
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10-17-2016, 09:34 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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Why not?
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10-17-2016, 09:35 AM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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What so funny?
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10-17-2016, 09:38 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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What so funny?
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to the assembly of the firstborn whose names have been written in heaven, to God who is the Judge of all, to the spirits of righteous people made perfect,
seems pretty clear to me. But one is allowed to put this assembly anywhere their mind can conceive, i guess. If you need it to be local, then it's local. But what is the point of that?
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10-17-2016, 09:48 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
lol
The local assemblies make up the worldwide overall body of the church. If one is not assembling locally then one is not in the overall worldwide body. Congreagtion/church loses all meaning.
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