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10-04-2016, 11:44 AM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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10-04-2016, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Disciple4life
Mike let me respectfully say WOW!!!
First I will not answer the question if the person is a rapist. Why? Because it is just like me asking you what is somebody hears the gospel, loves Jesus with all their heart, receives the Holy Ghost by the evidence of speaking in tongues and then gets in a car to drive somewhere to be baptized and they get in a horrible car wreck and die! At a certain point these "what if" questions are silly.
When I was baptized it was by a minister. He was accredited or in good standing or whatever you call it with the UPCI. He had a church in the same town for at least 30 years and he had an excellent reputation.
But for me that wasn't the big deal. It had nothing to do with him. It had everything to do with me and God. Period.
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Bro I was just going by your hypothetical situation. There's no way of knowing if the other was even baptized himself if you meet him in a desert. I never even said it made a difference. Just raising thoughts on it from others.
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10-04-2016, 01:13 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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I have a question. Let's say I am walking through the dessert and somebody walks up to me
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My question is, what kind of dessert? Pie, cake? And why are you walking through it, instead of eating it? 
Sorry, I couldn't resist. 
Anywho, baptism is about the faith of the believer, not the baptizer; so I believe God would honor the baptism, if the baptizee's faith was sincere.
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Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
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10-04-2016, 01:21 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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Exactly, which means the "there is no authority" line is false. Folks can debate the scope and mode of authority, but the FACT of authority is indisputable.
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Amen. There is authority and guidance. However, there isn't "authority" as so many understand it today.
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10-04-2016, 01:22 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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I wonder if sometimes there is a confusion in which those who seem to be anti-authority are really just trying to find the place where true authority is supposed to be?
Additionally, I sometimes think those who have been on the receiving end of an abuse of authority, are too quickly dismissed as rebels and wandering stars, because they are afraid of getting hurt again, and no one has taken the time to nurse them back to spiritual health.
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I believe there is a great deal of truth to what you posted above.
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10-04-2016, 01:43 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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I just read the article, but your question and the article leave me with a question. What if your hypothetical baptizer was a convicted rapist and not truly repentant? There's no way of knowing. Would it make a difference so long as you were sincere? Thoughts?
Does it become a matter of someone proving themselves first?
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We're NOT Catholic. We don't need a man to dispense grace to us. If the baptizer was a convicted rapist, but the believer sincere, God would honor the believer's faith, and deal with the sin of the baptizer. What kind of pathetic God would ........ a sincere seeker over the sin of the baptizer????
We're forgetting the reality of a very important doctrine here. It is known as Prevenient Grace. This is the grace of God that is active in a sinner's life BEFORE they are saved. This grace convicts the spirit of sin, draws them to the things of God, woos the soul, and impresses upon individuals around the soul to share the truth with the lost soul. It is composed of two elements:
1.) Inner Calling: The internal spiritual drawing of the human spirit.
2.) Outer Calling: The outer drawing of the Gospel through the preached Word. The inner calling is typically active very early in an individual's life and culminates in the moment of decision wherein the soul is confronted with accepting and obeying the Gospel a continued struggle against the leading of the Spirit. It is at this point that the outer calling takes place through the preached Word.
So,.... if God is drawing a soul to Himself and has been working on that soul all of their life, it is God who will send the appropriate individual to issue the outer calling and even water baptism. However, let's assume for just a second that some imposter jumped in. God has been working with this soul, God isn't going to just allow some idiot to mess up His work. I'm confident that the Father would acknowledge the faith of the seeker He was drawing, and use the moment to begin drawing the imposter who was baptizing.
God works in mysterious ways.
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10-04-2016, 01:44 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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I believe there is a great deal of truth to what you posted above.
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hmm. i wouldn't let that persuade you to join the mafia in order to change the mafia from within, though. That "authority" is worldly, almost surely.
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10-04-2016, 02:21 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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Originally Posted by Jito463
My question is, what kind of dessert? Pie, cake? And why are you walking through it, instead of eating it?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Anywho, baptism is about the faith of the believer, not the baptizer; so I believe God would honor the baptism, if the baptizee's faith was sincere. |
What is this a spelling test? Hey maybe we should have some test on here at AFF before people can post but it sure wouldn't be a spelling test!
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Last edited by Disciple4life; 10-04-2016 at 02:23 PM.
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10-04-2016, 02:22 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
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Bro I was just going by your hypothetical situation. There's no way of knowing if the other was even baptized himself if you meet him in a desert. I never even said it made a difference. Just raising thoughts on it from others.
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I am just giving you some playful grief.
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10-04-2016, 03:02 PM
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Re: Who's authorized to baptize whom?
Aquila, THANK YOU for posting something different and interesting!
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