Obama Owns This Failure - Syria Civil War

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Very interesting. Is he trustworthy? Disinformation?

We didn't invade all those other countries though, just Iraq and Afghan.

That's General Wesley Clark. Disinformation? What are you, a conspiracy theorist? lol

Anyway, that wasn't quite what I was referring to. Shrub had mentioned an 'axis of evil' long before, the Axis of Evil (led by Dr Evil himself? lol) included Iran, Syria, Libya, and North Korea. We have already taken out Libya, now we are working on destabilising Syria. Iraq and Afghanistan were related adventures to surround Iran. North Korea is waiting in the wings.

We still have to complete operations in Syria, deal with Iran, and deal with North Korea. The endgame appears to be blocking the Sino-Russian power block, or at least setting things up for the Big Confrontation that everyone in the know seems to think is coming sooner or later - the 'Showdown with China' for global dominance.

It's not just about 'invading', it's about destabilising regimes and replacing power structures and alliances. By overthrowing secularised, 'moderate' and stable governments in the Arabic world and replacing them with whack-job extremist Islamist governments (as in Libya and as we are trying to do in Syria, as we attempted in Egypt - although there seems to have been a backlash to a degree there...) we maintain control over resources in the region. The nations involved do not 'progress' in general, they are kept in a medieval condition of instability and stupidity while their Muslim Brotherhood frontmen rape the country of resources, which accrue to our benefit as we use them for tools to further destabilise the area for Israel. Israel actually benefits from radical Muslim governments because such governments are unable to move their countries into the 21st century technology and education wise. This keeps them on the level of 'bad dog' instead of 'cunning wolf', and is thus paradoxically a lesser threat to western interests in the area.

Which is the same game Russia played in the area back in the day, creating Islamist front groups to destabilise otherwise secular and moderate governments. Meanwhile, the actual governments allied to them tended to be moderate, secular socialist governments (Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc) thus promoting Russian interests in the region.

Those moderate governments were recognizing the future power of the Brics (Sino-Russian) block and needed to be taken out.

Of course, in geopolitics, every operation and engagement has multiple purposes. I think part of the apparent inbecility of our policies in the region may be due to the fact that our government has been hijacked a long time ago and is not actually pursuing American interests, although many in .gov think they are.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Well, back in 2012 obama was doing something about Syria. He was funneling arms through Libya to the rebels in Syria. That seemed to work out well for him, right? isis now has the weapons we sent to our so-called rebel allies in Syria.


I disagree. Regardless of whether we intervened or not, the invasion of Europe by muslims would still be happening.


Yeah, why not? I mean, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya worked out so well, why not have another war which will create another terrorist haven.

This is likely the ONLY time I've been happy with obama and especially Congress for voting against authorizing force in Syria. Rand Paul is right: every time we've gone to war to "liberate" a middle east country, it's blown up in our faces. When will we learn that American Democracy will NEVER work in a muslim country. They hate freedom, which is the fundamental part of democracy. The only way muslims know how to live is under an iron fist of a dictatorship and under sharia law.

No, if we had went to war, isis would control all of Syria and America would be to blame for it.

Obama is to blame. He encouraged the "Arab Spring" and even encouraged these guys that we would help them. Had we intervened in Syria early on, there might be no ISIS or Assad...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's General Wesley Clark. Disinformation? What are you, a conspiracy theorist? lol

Anyway, that wasn't quite what I was referring to. Shrub had mentioned an 'axis of evil' long before, the Axis of Evil (led by Dr Evil himself? lol) included Iran, Syria, Libya, and North Korea. We have already taken out Libya, now we are working on destabilising Syria. Iraq and Afghanistan were related adventures to surround Iran. North Korea is waiting in the wings.

We still have to complete operations in Syria, deal with Iran, and deal with North Korea. The endgame appears to be blocking the Sino-Russian power block, or at least setting things up for the Big Confrontation that everyone in the know seems to think is coming sooner or later - the 'Showdown with China' for global dominance.

It's not just about 'invading', it's about destabilising regimes and replacing power structures and alliances. By overthrowing secularised, 'moderate' and stable governments in the Arabic world and replacing them with whack-job extremist Islamist governments (as in Libya and as we are trying to do in Syria, as we attempted in Egypt - although there seems to have been a backlash to a degree there...) we maintain control over resources in the region. The nations involved do not 'progress' in general, they are kept in a medieval condition of instability and stupidity while their Muslim Brotherhood frontmen rape the country of resources, which accrue to our benefit as we use them for tools to further destabilise the area for Israel. Israel actually benefits from radical Muslim governments because such governments are unable to move their countries into the 21st century technology and education wise. This keeps them on the level of 'bad dog' instead of 'cunning wolf', and is thus paradoxically a lesser threat to western interests in the area.

Which is the same game Russia played in the area back in the day, creating Islamist front groups to destabilise otherwise secular and moderate governments. Meanwhile, the actual governments allied to them tended to be moderate, secular socialist governments (Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc) thus promoting Russian interests in the region.

Those moderate governments were recognizing the future power of the Brics (Sino-Russian) block and needed to be taken out.

Of course, in geopolitics, every operation and engagement has multiple purposes. I think part of the apparent inbecility of our policies in the region may be due to the fact that our government has been hijacked a long time ago and is not actually pursuing American interests, although many in .gov think they are.

I know who he is...thats actually why I said it. He was/is a US General

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You mean this?


http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-g...udan-iran/5166

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Very interesting. Is he trustworthy? Disinformation?

We didn't invade all those other countries though, just Iraq and Afghan.

Seven countries in five years! HA!

If you believe what he claims, I'm selling oceanfront property here in the PHX metro.

First, he claims it was classified, but has no problem blabbing on about it in a public interview. Besides this, 7 countries in 5 years. SEVEN countries in FIVE years.



There aren't enough troops plus civilians to be able to pull off that kind of a war. Not to mention the ammunition, supplies, tanks, planes, drones, etc, etc, etc that kind of offensive would require. And not only is it completely impossible to mount that kind of a war, but the UN and every other nation on earth would consider the US the resurrection of the Third Reicht and declare war on us!



This is a guy who ran for President as a Democrat before this interview. This interview was done in 2007, but he ran for President in 2003. Only a fool would believe what he's trying to push.

[n david]

Funny, he's on the Board of Directors for BNK Petroleum.

[Praxeas]

He made money speaking and selling books

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He made money speaking and selling books

Maybe he is going to come out with some books of prophecy and make some real money?

[Jermyn Davidson]

“If they don’t help us, people will lose trust in our supporters, and this will increase extremism,” he added.

Capt. Mustafa Moarati, a spokesman for the CIA-backed Tajamu al-Izza rebel brigade, echoed Ali's lamentations: “At least they could give us anti..aircraft missiles."

The US has agreed to protect the rebels that have been trained in a program run by the Pentagon, but not those the CIA covertly supports, according to the Journal.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/senior...195100691.html


Yeah, we give them MANPADS.
They use them against Russia.
America vs. Russia proxy war.
Many, many more people will die.

Yeah, we give them MANPADS.
They use them against Russia.
America vs. Russia proxy war.
Escalated into a real war with boots on the ground and American aircraft in the air.
Fighting a war we're drawn into instead of fighting a war on our terms.
Many, many more people will die.

Yeah, we give them MANPADS.
They use them against Russia.
America vs. Russia proxy war.
MANPADS fall into the hands of others.
MANPADS used against innocent people.
Could have been avoided if we had taken charge of this situation back in 2013-- when we had the moral authority to do so.


President Obama, you have put America in a cursed if we do cursed if we don't situation in Syria. This Syria debacle is a product of your foreign policy.

We are clumsily being dragged into war.