Where is the revival?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Lafon

I am also persuaded to believe that IF the contemporary Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Church (regardless of its affiliation with a particular man-made ministerial licensing institution) is to experience a "revival," and especially one which might be equal to or (hopefully) exceed that of the churches of the 1st Century which we read about in the book of Acts, there are at least three (3) elements which MUST be evident within an assembly. These are:

1.) Truth! God will NOT honor error, regardless how minute it might be! Therefore truth containing the least degree of error will NEVER bring revival!

2.) Brotherly love! I'm referring to that type of love which Christ Jesus stated in His "new commandment" as written in John 13:34-35, to wit, "That ye love one another; AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, that ye also love one another. By this shall ALL men KNOW that ye are MY disciples, that ye HAVE love ONE TO ANOTHER." When was the last time you heard another make reference to the love which we (outwardly) display toward one another as EVIDENCE that we are HIS disciple? Not lately, huh? Another reason why we don't "see" the revival we so desire! Pardon the expression, but its our "rotten, stinking attitude" that we so often display for one another that is a major hindrance that prevents "revival" (just being candid here)!

3.) Compassion and empathy for the lost! It seems that instead of "perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry" (it is sheep which "birth" other sheep, remember, and NOT the "shepherds"), what do we witness? Nothing but sermons, lectures, and an abundance of monologues wherein the "passiveness" of the sheepfold is being continually perpetuated, instead of "teaching" and "equipping" the "sheep" to go forth from the sheepfold and continually "reproduce"! Where is the "passion" for the lost that we, as members of a "royal priesthood" are commanded to have for the lost? Without THIS there will NOT be a revival (again, just being candid). The members of the sect called Jehovah Witness, who are not hindered by the harshest of weather conditions to prevent them from going door-to-door "peddling" that which will save no one, truly put us Apostolic Pentecostals to shame!

My two pence for what it might be worth. Is anyone listening?

Yes, brother, I am listening. Truth, love, and a desire for mission, a burning need to bring that truth and love to the ones for whom Christ died, that is definitely needed.

And are not those things the signs of revival?

Is any of that actually going on anywhere?

[Esaias]

Does anyone know if revival is happening anywhere in America? Any genuine move of God?

Anyone?

[obriencp]

I do not know of any large-scale north american revivals and it is sad as you've previously stated.

Do we judge revivals outside of our denominations as false or counterfeit? The reason I ask is that it seems most real large scale revivals crossed doctrinal lines. There were 2 large revivals (Pensacola Fla and Toronto) that happened when I was younger that I never heard of. I suspect they weren't brought up in many churches because leadership discredited those revivals based on the denominational make-up of the host churches/ministers. Lafon brought up a few essentials for revival and one of those was truth. Let's face it, sometimes truth can be subjective. If people are truly seeking God's presence with the right intentions, revival can happen even if its with people that don't necessarily have the truth as we see it.

[Michael The Disciple]

If revival only consisted of people coming to FAITH I would point back to the days of "THE JESUS MOVEMENT". Tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of young people believing in Jesus.

It lasted about ten years 1968-1978. I came to the Lord in those days and saw more of the reality of the gifts of the Spirit and personal witnessing and fellowship than I ever have since then.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Does anyone know if revival is happening anywhere in America? Any genuine move of God?

Anyone?

I have hesitated to answer this thread...

But let me tell you what is happening in this country today. Just not among americans.
I personally know and am a part of several "revival" movements that are happening today.

1- A large Ukrainian / Russian congregation in the midwest, affiliated with other Russian congregations have been having the infilling of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, by the scores. Just within the last few months.

These congregations are not yet into the oneness of God but do have a great man of God who is leading them that way.

They see Jesus name baptism but many of them, at this writing, have yet to reach that.

It is similar to the early 1900's where many coming into the Jesus name truth were coming out of other belief systems.

These are good Godly people that love God and have a desire to feel God's spirit move in a mighty way.

One of the men that is ministering to one particular congregation in Ok., was in a service recently where approx 200-250 people were in. This man does not know Russian. As he was praying up around the front this Brother began to speak in tongues. The church got quiet as he spoke in tongues. After he was done they began to worship God mightily. Turns out he was speaking in fluent Russian, exalting the name of the Lord Jesus! He did not understand it but they did! This just happened!

Last Sunday night they had a youth service where 10-15 young people received the Holy Ghost, speaking in other tongues. JUST YOUNG PEOPLE!!!

Is that the Revival like you were asking about?

[Monterrey]

Let me tell you about another REVIVAL that is happening in this country, just not among Americans.

In another state there is a large Pakistani group. Their pastor was in the Lutheran faith until recently. He is Pakistani.

While he was having personal devotions, a few months ago, he began to speak in another language, as the Spirit gave the ability.

He contacted an Elder in our group and he went up there and shared the oneness of God with him. They just had a meeting where there were quite a few rebaptized in Jesus name and many received the Holy Ghost. There were several people healed in that service. Notable miracles.

They have already scheduled a meeting in August where some of us are to go and speak to their combined fellowship, this is quite a few congregations.

Is that the Revival you are asking about?

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

I have hesitated to answer this thread...

But let me tell you what is happening in this country today. Just not among americans.
I personally know and am a part of several "revival" movements that are happening today.

1- A large Ukrainian / Russian congregation in the midwest, affiliated with other Russian congregations have been having the infilling of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, by the scores. Just within the last few months.

These congregations are not yet into the oneness of God but do have a great man of God who is leading them that way.

They see Jesus name baptism but many of them, at this writing, have yet to reach that.

It is similar to the early 1900's where many coming into the Jesus name truth were coming out of other belief systems.

These are good Godly people that love God and have a desire to feel God's spirit move in a mighty way.

One of the men that is ministering to one particular congregation in Ok., was in a service recently where approx 200-250 people were in. This man does not know Russian. As he was praying up around the front this Brother began to speak in tongues. The church got quiet as he spoke in tongues. After he was done they began to worship God mightily. Turns out he was speaking in fluent Russian, exalting the name of the Lord Jesus! He did not understand it but they did! This just happened!

Last Sunday night they had a youth service where 10-15 young people received the Holy Ghost, speaking in other tongues. JUST YOUNG PEOPLE!!!

Is that the Revival like you were asking about?

Speaking for myself only, what you've described sounds like a true Revival. I've been told and believe that a true revival will lead to an Acts 2:38 experience and revelation. Sounds like that is the way this revival is heading.
I pray it spreads nationwide.

[Monterrey]

The Russians and the Pakistanis have both commented upon the lack of spirituality among the American churches and their desire to stay away from the corruption that lies within them.

Both of these congregations and fellowships share some interesting things.

1- They have longer services, not shorter. Americans want microwave services and it shows.
2- Both focus upon prayer, righteousness and unity among believers. You don't see that among the American church.
3- They believe and teach that the future of their churches and movements need larger families, most have over 6 kids, and they homeschool their children. they realize the danger of the public school influence.
4- Their goal is not more money, their wives are homemakers and mothers. They learn to make it on what the father makes and let God provide. Of course, God blesses.

[Monterrey]

What is sad is that two seperate oneness organizations, to be unnamed, are now trying to take over the works and dominate them instead of letting God have His way.

All of the overseers of those works have been warned not to go that direction.

It seems that when politics get involved then God gets out.

[Monterrey]

And this is not even counting the movement among the Russians in California, the Indian/Pakistani up in the North, and other ethnic groups that are looking to find the pleasure of God in their lives.

Revival is existant, just not among the mainstream.