Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm not worried about the rest. Why won't you answer my simple question?

What are the facts and captions and timelines regarding that picture.




So far the only timeline I have seen is Wii's?

1. There were posts on (facebook or twitter) regarding his ministry at the UN.

2. He then posted a picture that he labeled service which was actually a picture of a service that wasn't his. And really it all depends on context at this point. Was he posting this picture and making it clear that it wasn't his service? Or did he post the picture with no indicators that it wasn't of his service?

3. The next year a video that included highlights of his ministry was produced and that same picture was shown in that video. Was that picture indicated as being just a picture of the building he was preaching at? Or was nothing again stated to imply that this picture wasn't of his service?

4. Sometime around a year after the picture was first posted someone discovered that it was actually not a picture of his service and posted this fact.

5. He then apologized for "posting a picture" to show the church building where he was having his services at and stating that he realized that was a mistake?


Can you fill in the details and the few questions I have left and/or tell me where this timeline is wrong?

It seems to me that the problem with this picture comes from a lack of being clear and upfront with the first posting of it. Was that lack of clarity and lack of upfrontness done with an intent to deceive. I say only God knows the intent of the heart.


However, I do know it was very unwise to post pictures especially of events you were not actually a part of with little to no context about the picture being of a different event in the same venue you are in.

I do know that in hindsight it seems such a simply thing to say that he should have realized that people would interpret a picture on his social media labeled service in the context of other posts about him having services at the UN church to be a picture of his service and not of someone elses.


So I understand why Wii called him a liar. Most people get called liars when they omit details that anyone in a similar circumstance would have known should be included to bring clarity to the situation.

[jfrog]

The most convincing thing in my mind is that his apology doesn't actually address what he did wrong.

Using a picture of a different event by another person to illustrate where he was preaching wasn't wrong. And yet that is exactly what he apologized for and stated that he should not have done.

What he did wrong was post such a picture in a discussion about his services and label it service and omit any details about it not being his service. He did not apologize for simply omitting details about what the picture was actually of.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm friends with several Pastors/Evangelists who heard the Jewish Revival lie and told it to their congregations in spite of me cautioning them. They told me they knew the man and he was a District Superintendent and wouldn't lie about something like that.

After it came out that it was a lie, did I accuse them of lying? Of course not! Was I disappointed and upset they fell for the lie? Sure I was. But I don't question their credibility or character because they believed someone they knew, and trusted he was telling the truth.

Same with Stoneking. You can't judge him and say he lacks credibility or character simply because he believed someone he knew, and trusted this person was telling him the truth. And you certainly cannot accuse him of lying.

Originally Posted by n david

None that I read. He may have apologized individually to some people, but there was no apology posted of which I'm aware. Rev. Kenneth Haney was the General Superintendent when this happened. He sent a minister to speak with this man, and afterwards he sent a letter out to all the UPCI licensed ministers requesting they stop repeating the story because it was untrue.

Was I disappointed that once the truth was known my pastor at the time didn't tell the congregations it was false? Certainly!

And I will say honestly that when this kind of thing happens it makes most of what they say to me suspect...MOST if what they say.

The exception to this is when they are speaking directly from the Holy Bible...not their opinion of what it says, but what thus saith the Holy Word of God.

People make mistakes in judgment. We will take something we hear, and if repeated often enough, the story grows to the level that the individual believes it really did happen.

Just ask Brian Williams.

Why does this happen? To make ourselves seem more important than we are I suppose. Or in the case of the UPCI, perhaps it's to build up the faith of the saints, or to enlarge the importance of OUR organization over YOURS.

It's all silly, and certainly not edifying, but unfortunately it happens. The sorrow in this is that people take the stories told and elevate the minister OR saint to a level God never intended.

I don't have the remedy for this...wish I did because placing our complete trust in humanity instead of God is a dangerous place to be.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It seems to me that the problem with this picture comes from a lack of being clear and upfront with the first posting of it. Was that lack of clarity and lack of upfrontness done with an intent to deceive. I say only God knows the intent of the heart.


However, I do know it was very unwise to post pictures especially of events you were not actually a part of with little to no context about the picture.

I do know that in hindsight it seems such a simply thing to say that he should have realized that people would interpret a picture on his social media labeled service in the context of other posts about him having services at the UN church to be a picture of his service and not of someone elses.


So I understand why Wii called him a liar. Most people get called liars when they omit details that anyone in a similar circumstance would have known should be included to bring clarity to the situation.

I agree

He is paying dearly, his family took it hard. and they are trying learn from it..

mistakes were made on his part.. He admitted he was not wise.. I hope he can move on and continue the work he is doing and we can appreciate the amazing things we are seeing unfold

[Walks_in_islam]

My posts stand undisputed. Excused, justified, turned around into an attack on me, but not disputed. This happened and nobody said a word about these photos and where they came from before April 25, 2015 - the day after they were exposed.

Maybe this thread title should be changed to "Lee Stoneking Addresses chairs at the UN" LOL

Some footage of the "audience". To refer to this as "addressing the General Assembly of the UN" is misleading in itself. The General Assembly sessions are not held in April.

They are held in September. They are ALWAYS held in September

70th Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70)

The 70th Regular Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70) is scheduled to open at UN Headquarters on Tuesday, 15 September 2015. The General Debate is scheduled to open on Tuesday, 22 September 2015.

Summary: Nobody was there.





The whole (official) webcast of the whole day of empty seats is here:

http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/.../4191689271001

Go investigate that. (smh) Bunch of sheeple. "High Ranking UN Officials my foot"

[Walks_in_islam]

***Edited to restore original post***

Untrue words came out of his mouth. Untrue words are lies. It is as simple as that.

Doubtless your admin knows this, it isn't like I did not specifically list all wives of record for the man before I compared it to what the minister said.

He could always retract. He won't. Do you know why? It takes humility and true men of God have that humility but men like this man do not.

This is what you call "anointing?" Huh? This minister is "anointed" when he speaks? Because I know one thing for sure - GOD does not need to make things up or speak through lies to do what God wants, only men do.

Quit defending and worshiping this false prophet.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My posts stand undisputed. Excused, justified, turned around into an attack on me, but not disputed. This happened and nobody said a word about these photos and where they came from before April 25, 2015

Maybe this thread title should be changed to "Lee Stoneking Addresses chairs at the UN" LOL

Some footage of the "audience". To refer to this as "addressing the General Assembly of the UN" is misleading in itself. The General Assembly sessions are not held in April.

They are held in September. They are ALWAYS held in September

70th Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70)

The 70th Regular Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70) is scheduled to open at UN Headquarters on Tuesday, 15 September 2015. The General Debate is scheduled to open on Tuesday, 22 September 2015.

Summary: Nobody was there.





The whole (official) webcast of the whole day of empty seats is here:

http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/.../4191689271001

Go investigate that. (smh) Bunch of sheeple. "High Ranking UN Officials my foot"

It is rather empty in there. That's for sure.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My posts stand undisputed. Excused, justified, turned around into an attack on me, but not disputed. This happened and nobody said a word about these photos and where they came from before April 25, 2015

Maybe this thread title should be changed to "Lee Stoneking Addresses chairs at the UN" LOL

Some footage of the "audience". To refer to this as "addressing the General Assembly of the UN" is misleading in itself. The General Assembly sessions are not held in April.

They are held in September. They are ALWAYS held in September

70th Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70)

The 70th Regular Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70) is scheduled to open at UN Headquarters on Tuesday, 15 September 2015. The General Debate is scheduled to open on Tuesday, 22 September 2015.

Summary: Nobody was there.





The whole (official) webcast of the whole day of empty seats is here:

http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/.../4191689271001

Go investigate that. (smh) Bunch of sheeple. "High Ranking UN Officials my foot"

you are a liar


everyone go to this site and look under the phot that it is a General Assembly meeting..
What they did was schedule a special one and included faith leaders... Wii is a Liar
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...5#.VUJfzabKPzI

Participants at the General Assembly Thematic Debate on “Promoting Tolerance and Reconciliation: Fostering Peaceful, Inclusive Societies and Countering Violent Extremism.”
This is why it was labeled like it was....

Walks _in _Islam is a Liar

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It is rather empty in there. That's for sure.

Yes the place was not full however this was posted by the UN:

"The outcome of the meeting will be a President's summary highlighting salient points and key messages arising from the thematic debate.
Staff members from across the UN system and representatives of Member States will be able to follow the proceedings of this exceptional High-Level event online".

Those that wasn't in attendance followed online.. and its still on the UN website it will be able to be viewed!!!!!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Untrue words came out of his mouth. Untrue words are lies. It is as simple as that.

Doubtless your admin knows this, it isn't like I did not specifically list all wives of record for the man before I compared it to what the minister said.

He could always retract. He won't. Do you know why? It takes humility and true men of God have that humility but men like this man do not.

This is what you call "anointing?" Huh? This minister is "anointed" when he speaks? Because I know one thing for sure - GOD does not need to make things up or speak through lies to do what God wants, only men do.

Quit defending and worshiping this false prophet.

NO ONE IS WORSHIPING LS...and least not here!!

But the question remains the same, and is YET unanswered...what does this all matter to YOU?

Are you converting to Christianity?

Are you denouncing Allah?

Are you sincerely trying to find answers to why these things are happening?

Or are you here for NO OTHER purpose than to try and push buttons and to call out Apostolic preachers as liars?

Your posts do NOT edify. You do NOT encourage others to seek for answers. All you do is spew your venom, and then claim that WE are attacking YOU.

I think the posters have been as kind and patient as they can with you, but enough is enough.