Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[n david]

Originally Posted by pilgram

Spot on. Instead of finding reasons to grip about it folks should be praising Jesus for an opportunity for the truth to be proclaimed.

[mfblume]

I'm sure if Paul said this....

Php 1:15-18 KJV Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
(16) The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
(17) But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
(18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

...then Stoneking's message should bless us, since he certainly is not doing it to accomplish what Paul said some accomplished making him rejoice nonetheless!

[blackjohnwhite]

Originally Posted by Bowas
I have never been there, but it says, "Lee Stoneking Addresses UN General Assembly"

I understand that's what the video is titled. But Stoneking did not address the UN General Assembly. He addressed about a couple dozen people in the UN's main chamber (most of whom were fellow speakers for the event). The General Assembly involves the member nations' UN ambassadors holding a legislative session. This was not the case. Just like with the US House of Representatives. If you give a 5 minute speech on the House floor on a Tuesday morning when 12 Congressmen or their aides are in the chamber, you haven't actually "addressed Congress."

So no, Stoneking did not address the UN General Assembly. This is misinformation that is being used to make this event into something that it wasn't.

[n david]

Originally Posted by blackjohnwhite

I understand that's what the video is titled. But Stoneking did not address the UN General Assembly. He addressed about a couple dozen people in the UN's main chamber (most of whom were fellow speakers for the event). The General Assembly involves the member nations' UN ambassadors holding a legislative session. This was not the case. Just like with the US House of Representatives. If you give a 5 minute speech on the House floor on a Tuesday morning when 12 Congressmen or their aides are in the chamber, you haven't actually "addressed Congress."

So no, Stoneking did not address the UN General Assembly. This is misinformation that is being used to make this event into something that it wasn't.

Pathetic. Some people love to hate, especially since the messenger was Stoneking and the message was Acts 2:38.

Say what you will, try to downplay it as much as you can. The UN Secretary General and the President of the General Assembly were presiding over the event. It was at the United Nations, in the General Assembly. Regardless of there not being any heads of state in attendance, it was an official event of the UN General Assembly.

Not every UNGA event is a legislative session.

If a person gives a speech in the Senate or House during an official session of Congress, it doesn't matter how many members are absent, it's an address to the Senate or House.

[blackjohnwhite]

Originally Posted by n david

Pathetic. Some people love to hate, especially since the messenger was Stoneking and the message was Acts 2:38.

Say what you will, try to downplay it as much as you can. The UN Secretary General and the President of the General Assembly were presiding over the event. It was at the United Nations, in the General Assembly. Regardless of there not being any heads of state in attendance, it was an official event of the UN General Assembly.

Not every UNGA event is a legislative session.

If a person gives a speech in the Senate or House during an official session of Congress, it doesn't matter how many members are absent, it's an address to the Senate or House.

Who exactly is hating? You called me pathetic because I presented you with the actual facts of the event, which have been sorely absent from the UPCI's depiction of this event. I understand the need to to defend the Mothership at all costs. But at some point, you've got to take the Pentecostal glasses off and understand that not everything they tell you is true.

I'm not saying everyone who says "STONEKING ADDRESSED THE UN!!!!!" is lying. I'm sure most are just mistaken because they've taken the word of people who are intentionally misleading them. But once again, Lee Stoneking DID NOT address a session of the United Nations General Assembly. He addressed about two dozen people, mostly fellow speakers, in the same room that the United Nations holds its General Assembly.

Let me bring it home for you. Someone goes to General Conference. At 3 in the morning, they go to the arena or conference hall where GC is being held. They go to the platform, stand behind the podium, and loudly & proudly proclaim what they believe to be the Gospel. The only people in attendance are custodial staff and maybe a handful of UPCI personnel who are up late updating the GC website and preparing for the next day's services. Did the person "Speak at General Conference?" No. He spoke in the place where GC is held to a virtually empty arena during a time when GC wasn't in session, just as Stoneking did at the UN.

[Thinker]

Everything you said is a lie --- "Blackjohnwhite"

Its funny how you are lying to call others a liar!! You should be ashamed of yourself!!

I talked to the source-- this event was Historic!!!
Read here ---http://un-dpa.tumblr.com/post/117196340239/un-enlists-faith-leaders-youth-in-its-efforts-to

Apostolic Friends Forum should not let people like "Blackjohnwhite" be so blatant..

[n david]

Originally Posted by blackjohnwhite

Who exactly is hating? You called me pathetic because I presented you with the actual facts of the event, which have been sorely absent from the UPCI's depiction of this event. I understand the need to to defend the Mothership at all costs. But at some point, you've got to take the Pentecostal glasses off and understand that not everything they tell you is true.

You didn't present any "actual facts." You presented your opinion of what happened. An opinion shaded by your bias against the UPCI and its beliefs.

Originally Posted by blackjohnwhite

I'm not saying everyone who says "STONEKING ADDRESSED THE UN!!!!!" is lying. I'm sure most are just mistaken because they've taken the word of people who are intentionally misleading them. But once again, Lee Stoneking DID address a session of the United Nations General Assembly. He addressed about two dozen people, mostly fellow speakers, in the same room that the United Nations holds its General Assembly.

Oh, were you there? I find it incredible that you know that there were only about two dozen and of those, it was mostly just fellow speakers. Unless you were actually in the room you can't say how many were there. Not sure what you saw, but there were delegates seated in their seats. Obviously it wasn't a full house, but then I doubt most leaders find a session on religious persecution at the top of their list of importance.

Originally Posted by blackjohnwhite

Let me bring it home for you. Someone goes to General Conference. At 3 in the morning, they go to the arena or conference hall where GC is being held. They go to the platform, stand behind the podium, and loudly & proudly proclaim what they believe to be the Gospel. The only people in attendance are custodial staff and maybe a handful of UPCI personnel who are up late updating the GC website and preparing for the next day's services. Did the person "Speak at General Conference?" No. He spoke in the place where GC is held to a virtually empty arena during a time when GC wasn't in session, just as Stoneking did at the UN..

The error in your "bring it home" example is in bold: "when GC wasn't in session." In fact, you're being dishonest by adding "just as Stoneking did at the UN" after talking about some fictional character going into an arena at 3am.

Let me bring it home for you: This wasn't 3am. The Secretary General, Assistant Secretary General AND the President of the General Assembly were all in attendance and presiding over the event. The UN General Assembly was in session. There were several delegates seated in their assigned seats. There were also people sitting along the wings of the room.

I bet the UN Secretary General, Assistant Secretary General and the President of the General Assembly would be shocked to hear that it wasn't an actual session of the General Assembly, as would the many religious leaders who spoke at the event. Apparently, they sat there for at least the hour I was watching the live webcast, presiding over a non-event.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

General Assembly.

Is that what it looked like when he spoke??? If so, he most assuredly did not speak to the UN General Assembly.

[Thinker]

United Nations Web TV titled it (3rd meeting) Promoting Toleranceand Reconciliation: The Potential for Religion inBuilding Bridges of Tolerance and Reconciliation - General Assembly, High-level thematic debate

Did you see it???? General Assembly, High-level thematic debate!!!!!!

So they named it -- General Assembly -- High - Level - Thematic - Debate

http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/.../4191689239001

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Is that what it looked like when he spoke??? If so, he most assuredly did not speak to the UN General Assembly.

That's a photo of the room called the general assembly room. It was not taken when Stoneking was there. There's no one in the podium for goodness' sake! lol