born of water

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Apples and oranges. We don't cast out people's sins. And vocalizing the name of Jesus to demons is not a given they will leave. Just ask the sons of Sceva in Acts. They had no authority to use the name of Jesus because they did not know Jesus by way of the new birth. Therefore, by your thinking, a sincerely repentant sinner could be baptized with the name of Jesus invoked over them and still remain in their sins if the the one baptizing was not right with God.

I did not say we cast out people's sins like you tried implying from my post before about this same issue. I am asking if the name needs to be vocalized or not when casting out a devil.

Yes or no?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I did not say we cast out people's sins like you tried implying from my post before about this same issue. I am asking if the name needs to be vocalized or not when casting out a devil.

Yes or no?

No Takers?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No Takers?

I'd say that if this is your first time encountering a particular demon, then you certainly need to tell him by what authority your telling him to get lost. But if you encounter the same demon later in a different person, he already knows you and the family name by which you are called, and that he has to obey your commands ("Paul I know").

Again, it is not the sound of the name of Jesus that makes devils tremble and flee, else they would have had to have obeyed the sons of Sceva.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I'd say that if this is your first time encountering a particular demon, then you certainly need to tell him by what authority your telling him to get lost. But if you encounter the same demon later in a different person, he already knows you and the family name by which you are called, and that he has to obey your commands ("Paul I know").

Again, it is not the sound of the name of Jesus that makes devils tremble and flee, else they would have had to have obeyed the sons of Sceva.

No one said it is the sound of His name.

Again yes or no? Does the name have to be vocalized? Is that a no, Originalist?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No Takers?

I would not be willing to attempt such a task without using the Name of Jesus Christ.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No one said it is the sound of His name.

Again yes or no? Does the name have to be vocalized? Is that a no, Originalist?

Again Mike, I feel your question is asked from a faulty premise.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again Mike, I feel your question is asked from a faulty premise.

The premise you are thinking of is what I have already stated is not the case at all. It has nothing to do with casting out sin. So, without trying to ascertain my premise, just say yes or no. THEN I will proceed to present my case.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I would not be willing to attempt such a task without using the Name of Jesus Christ.

Thank you. Anybody else?

I will make my point afterwards.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The premise you are thinking of is what I have already stated is not the case at all. It has nothing to do with casting out sin. So, without trying to ascertain my premise, just say yes or no. THEN I will proceed to present my case.

I was referring to the premise that we can only exercise the authority Christ has given us by vocalizing his name.

[Originalist]

Let me clarify. I'd say that normatively one would indeed invoke the name of Jesus when confronting a demon. But personally I would do so by informing him from the start that I am a disciple of Jesus Christ endowed with authority to cast out devils. After that there would be no need to repeat over and over "in the name of Jesus!" which can itself become vain repetition.