Would you stay in a church if...

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't say "Amen" or anything else during the preaching..Im trying to listen and I wish others would do the same

I hear you bro

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

you did not believe 100% of what is being taught is truth?

Absolutely not! And I don't, and won't, feeling NO condemnation in so doing. Paul's words of 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 "commands" me not to have company with those who do not preach and teach the SAME things which he and the other apostle's did! Aren't we to follow their steps? (see also 2 Thessalonians 3:6)

[obriencp]

lets be honest, Lafon. You've never disagreed with anything that was taught at your current church?

I think there will always be disagreements on things, some minor maybe a few major. I think most of us will find a place that we agree with the major things on and not make a big deal about the smaller issues.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Absolutely not! And I don't, and won't, feeling NO condemnation in so doing. Paul's words of 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 "commands" me not to have company with those who do not preach and teach the SAME things which he and the other apostle's did! Aren't we to follow their steps? (see also 2 Thessalonians 3:6)

Lafon, does your church believe Enoch did not die and that the rapture will take people who are alive and change their bodies so they never die as well?

A person could have a love for the truth and not yet know some truths, preaching errors in minor issues.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by obriencp

lets be honest, Lafon. You've never disagreed with anything that was taught at your current church?

I think there will always be disagreements on things, some minor maybe a few major. I think most of us will find a place that we agree with the major things on and not make a big deal about the smaller issues.

Why question my integrity? Did I not explicitly state that when I made the statement "Absolutely not! And I don't, and won't, feeling NO condemnation in so doing"?

After several years of trying to persuade the pastor to accept that the things he was preaching/teaching about a certain doctrine was not scriptural, and even obtaining his agreement that it wasn't, and then being unsuccessful in my effort to persuade other members of the licensed ministry to also acknowledge the veracity of that which I was endeavoring to show them (from the Bible), and repeatedly being rejected, in fact, I DID "have NO company" with them, for almost 17 years!

Is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as stated by Paul in Ephesians 5:25-27, coming back for a Bride that has "spots, wrinkles, blemishes, or any such things" (that is, "heresies") amongst its teachings, and is therefore unsanctified and unclean? It is obvious that Paul, as well as the rest of the apostles thought NOT, and I do also!

Have you never read that Paul "withstood" Peter to his face because he was doing things which stood in stark opposition to the teachings and example manifested by the Lord Jesus Himself? And the reason wasn't even a matter of doctrine, rather one which displayed a respect of persons! Should we not emulate Paul's integrity?

One of the chief complaints that I have against my brethren in the contemporary Apostolic Pentecostal church is that many, if not the majority of them, do NOT "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Nay, they've become much too complacent, tolerating "divisions" when Paul explicitly asserted that its presence amongst us is a sure indication of the presence of "heresies" (see I Corinthians 11:18-19). But what do they do when advised of such, and even given irrefutable scriptural evidence of such? More often than not, you're shunned, and looked upon as some kind of "black sheep" in the family of God. That, my friends, is wrong!!

And what was the advise which the Roman writer give to those who determined that there were those "in the church" who embraced and propagated things which were contrary to the doctrines that the apostles' taught? He said to "mark them" and then to "avoid them."

I am NOT a member of any institutionalized assembly, rather I belong to a small group of like-minded saints who have also separated themselves from other brethren for the same reason I've noted. We meet 2-3 times weekly in our homes, and exert our best efforts to conduct our affairs in the same manner as Paul described in I Corinthians 14:26-40.

And, yes, Mike Blume, every member of the group of saints of which I am a part, even serving as their Teacher, believe that Enoch experienced a common death. And NO, we do NOT believe in a so-called "rapture of the church," or that God would violate His guiding principle of "righteousness" by granting anyone an exemption from the judgment of death which was imposed upon ALL mankind through the corrupt "seed" of man's progenitor, Adam!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Why question my integrity? Did I not explicitly state that when I made the statement "Absolutely not! And I don't, and won't, feeling NO condemnation in so doing"?

After several years of trying to persuade the pastor to accept that the things he was preaching/teaching about a certain doctrine was not scriptural, and even obtaining his agreement that it wasn't, and then being unsuccessful in my effort to persuade other members of the licensed ministry to also acknowledge the veracity of that which I was endeavoring to show them (from the Bible), and repeatedly being rejected, in fact, I DID "have NO company" with them, for almost 17 years!

Is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as stated by Paul in Ephesians 5:25-27, coming back for a Bride that has "spots, wrinkles, blemishes, or any such things" (that is, "heresies") amongst its teachings, and is therefore unsanctified and unclean? It is obvious that Paul, as well as the rest of the apostles thought NOT, and I do also!

Have you never read that Paul "withstood" Peter to his face because he was doing things which stood in stark opposition to the teachings and example manifested by the Lord Jesus Himself? And the reason wasn't even a matter of doctrine, rather one which displayed a respect of persons! Should we not emulate Paul's integrity?

One of the chief complaints that I have against my brethren in the contemporary Apostolic Pentecostal church is that many, if not the majority of them, do NOT "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Nay, they've become much too complacent, tolerating "divisions" when Paul explicitly asserted that its presence amongst us is a sure indication of the presence of "heresies" (see I Corinthians 11:18-19). But what do they do when advised of such, and even given irrefutable scriptural evidence of such? More often than not, you're shunned, and looked upon as some kind of "black sheep" in the family of God. That, my friends, is wrong!!

And what was the advise which the Roman writer give to those who determined that there were those "in the church" who embraced and propagated things which were contrary to the doctrines that the apostles' taught? He said to "mark them" and then to "avoid them."

I am NOT a member of any institutionalized assembly, rather I belong to a small group of like-minded saints who have also separated themselves from other brethren for the same reason I've noted. We meet 2-3 times weekly in our homes, and exert our best efforts to conduct our affairs in the same manner as Paul described in I Corinthians 14:26-40.

And, yes, Mike Blume, every member of the group of saints of which I am a part, even serving as their Teacher, believe that Enoch experienced a common death. And NO, we do NOT believe in a so-called "rapture of the church," or that God would violate His guiding principle of "righteousness" by granting anyone an exemption from the judgment of death which was imposed upon ALL mankind through the corrupt "seed" of man's progenitor, Adam!

Brother Blume asked if you believe living saints would not die but be changed when the Lord returns. You indicated neither you nor your assembly believes they will. How does that square with Paul's words that say we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed etc?

[Rudy]

I don't think we apostolics are gonna make it. We just can't seem to agree on much. Very disheartening.

I hope soon I can find an assembly where people are letting the love of Christ shine through.

I'm very weary.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Rudy

I don't think we apostolics are gonna make it. We just can't seem to agree on much. Very disheartening.

I hope soon I can find an assembly where people are letting the love of Christ shine through.

I'm very weary.

Maybe some look for the wrong thing in a church. Those who hold that truth is the most important will always be divided because their truth will match up with very few others, thus it can only divide them. However, those who love God and love one another will always stand united.

Forgive those that do not teach the truth as you believe it so that your Father may forgive you for not teaching truth as he knows it.

[shazeep]

Nice, Frog. Yes, i remember that day. You are a member of the Church of the Living Stones, which cannot be contained in some building. Go ye, and seek all the places where you agree, rather than where you disagree, and just ignore the title on the sign, imo. Real Apostolic types are usually too tired to attend some Sunday service, anyway! plenty of displaced people--dang good people--in need of a shepherd now. I warn you that if/when you bypas all the...rhetoric, and git busy binding up a few wounds, you are going to get popular--but also, lots of older ladies cook you stuff!

Originally Posted by Rudy

I don't think we apostolics are gonna make it. We just can't seem to agree on much. Very disheartening.

I hope soon I can find an assembly where people are letting the love of Christ shine through.

I'm very weary.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Maybe some look for the wrong thing in a church. Those who hold that truth is the most important will always be divided because their truth will match up with very few others, thus it can only divide them. However, those who love God and love one another will always stand united.

Forgive those that do not teach the truth as you believe it so that your Father may forgive you for not teaching truth as he knows it.

There is a necessity to have foundational truths to agree upon. I'm leaning towards a spirit filled church where the love of Christ shines through.

I know--good luck.