Questions for Obamunists on AFF

[Originalist]

10. How many people should we let into this country? Liberals want amnesty for the 11-20 million illegal aliens currently living in America. Let’s say that happens, then what? Do we grant amnesty to the next 20 million illegals that come looking for a better life? There are over 7 billion people on the planet, most of which would certainly have a better life if they moved to the US. I’ll ask again: how many of these people should we let immigrate to our country?

9. How are rules that apply equally to everyone discriminatory and racist? Liberals say that everything from the justice system to education is racist. They whine that voting laws that apply to everyone equally are somehow discriminatory. Why? I have no idea. If everyone is playing by the same rules there is no disputing that the playing field is level.

8. How are rules that only apply to one group of people not discriminatory and racist? Affirmative Action set quotas for minorities in hiring and college admissions. Obama’s My Brother’s Keeper program gives funds and opportunities to people of color. There are literally hundreds of liberal programs available to minorities only. Do not disadvantaged white people deserve the same help?

7. Do you know what a pyramid scheme is? Wikipedia tells us: A pyramid scheme is an unsustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public. The people at the bottom of the pyramid do all of the paying and never reap any benefits. Sounds an awful lot like ObamaCare, doesn’t it? In the private sector a pyramid scheme is fraud but when the government does it it’s called progress.

6. Why is it okay to kill unborn children but wrong to kill convicted murderers? Liberals love abortion but hate the death penalty. Seems a little hypocritical since both involve the taking of a human life. The only difference is, unborn children haven’t viciously murdered anyone. Why do liberals deem the life of a killer more important that that of an innocent child?

5. How does stagnating growth stimulate the economy? High taxes and needless regulations are two things liberal lawmakers can’t get enough of. They are also the two things that hurt business growth the most. I don’t know if the libs are aware of this, but businesses are those things that give people jobs. When people have jobs, they have money to spend. Our economy grows when more people have jobs and spend money. This is not my opinion; it’s a fact.

4. Does it make sense to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?The social safety net, which includes welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and a whole host of liberal entitlements, has failed in its stated goal to pull people out of poverty. Instead, these programs have had the opposite effect, creating generations of people that are utterly dependent on government handouts. If these programs don’t work, why should we continue them? Do liberals think that they’re bound to work eventually? Even worse, they want to expand these failed programs. Now that really is the definition of insanity.

3. How will punishing law-abiding people stop criminals from breaking the law? Every liberal gun control law either passed or proposed places arbitrary restrictions on law-abiding citizens. These laws don’t apply to criminals because, by their very nature, they don’t follow laws. If someone is going to commit a murder or assault, do you think they care if their weapon of choice isn’t compliant to the local ordinance? No one has ever said, “I was going to rob that liquor store but the only gun I have holds more than seven rounds and that’s illegal in New York.”

2. How can you count to ten if you skip the number two? The first ten amendments of the US Constitution are known as the Bill Of Rights. These enumerated rights were laid down by our Founding Fathers because they felt each of them was essential to ensure we live in a free society. Liberals are enamored with all of them except the 2nd, which guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. They say all of the other amendments confer individual rights, yet claim the 2ndAmendment is a collective right that allows only the government to possess arms. Why would the Framers list 9 individual rights, and one government right? Liberals also don’t seem to understand that the 2nd Amendment protects all the others. Tyrants can’t take speech and voting rights away from an armed populace.

1. Why was George W. Bush a bad President but Barack Obama is a good one? To liberals, George W. Bush was the Devil incarnate. Their biggest beefs were the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the bank bailout, and Guantanamo Bay torture. When Obama took office he escalated the war in Afghanistan, gave even bigger bailouts, and after 5 years in office still hasn’t closed Guantanamo Bay. On top of that, Obama ignores the Constitution, spies on every single American, kills women and children with drone strikes, and has saddled the country with a health care law that will bankrupt the middle class and require an insurance company bailout of epic proportions. I’d say, even to liberals, Bush Jr. looks pretty good by comparison.

[KeptByTheWord]

What will it take for people to realize that every possible means is being used to destroy this great country by an unseen form or figure, or group of people, and that Obama is not taking orders from the people of this great country but from a foe who wants to see America destroyed.

If there is a way to stop this madness, I do not know. Only the Lord knows.

The question that remains... is there is anything that can be done about it?

[KeptByTheWord]

By the way, good questions Originalist. These are all very tough questions that deserve a good answer.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Originalist

10. How many people should we let into this country? Liberals want amnesty for the 11-20 million illegal aliens currently living in America. Let’s say that happens, then what? Do we grant amnesty to the next 20 million illegals that come looking for a better life? There are over 7 billion people on the planet, most of which would certainly have a better life if they moved to the US. I’ll ask again: how many of these people should we let immigrate to our country?

9. How are rules that apply equally to everyone discriminatory and racist? Liberals say that everything from the justice system to education is racist. They whine that voting laws that apply to everyone equally are somehow discriminatory. Why? I have no idea. If everyone is playing by the same rules there is no disputing that the playing field is level.

8. How are rules that only apply to one group of people not discriminatory and racist? Affirmative Action set quotas for minorities in hiring and college admissions. Obama’s My Brother’s Keeper program gives funds and opportunities to people of color. There are literally hundreds of liberal programs available to minorities only. Do not disadvantaged white people deserve the same help?

7. Do you know what a pyramid scheme is? Wikipedia tells us: A pyramid scheme is an unsustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public. The people at the bottom of the pyramid do all of the paying and never reap any benefits. Sounds an awful lot like ObamaCare, doesn’t it? In the private sector a pyramid scheme is fraud but when the government does it it’s called progress.

6. Why is it okay to kill unborn children but wrong to kill convicted murderers? Liberals love abortion but hate the death penalty. Seems a little hypocritical since both involve the taking of a human life. The only difference is, unborn children haven’t viciously murdered anyone. Why do liberals deem the life of a killer more important that that of an innocent child?

5. How does stagnating growth stimulate the economy? High taxes and needless regulations are two things liberal lawmakers can’t get enough of. They are also the two things that hurt business growth the most. I don’t know if the libs are aware of this, but businesses are those things that give people jobs. When people have jobs, they have money to spend. Our economy grows when more people have jobs and spend money. This is not my opinion; it’s a fact.

4. Does it make sense to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?The social safety net, which includes welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and a whole host of liberal entitlements, has failed in its stated goal to pull people out of poverty. Instead, these programs have had the opposite effect, creating generations of people that are utterly dependent on government handouts. If these programs don’t work, why should we continue them? Do liberals think that they’re bound to work eventually? Even worse, they want to expand these failed programs. Now that really is the definition of insanity.

3. How will punishing law-abiding people stop criminals from breaking the law? Every liberal gun control law either passed or proposed places arbitrary restrictions on law-abiding citizens. These laws don’t apply to criminals because, by their very nature, they don’t follow laws. If someone is going to commit a murder or assault, do you think they care if their weapon of choice isn’t compliant to the local ordinance? No one has ever said, “I was going to rob that liquor store but the only gun I have holds more than seven rounds and that’s illegal in New York.”

2. How can you count to ten if you skip the number two? The first ten amendments of the US Constitution are known as the Bill Of Rights. These enumerated rights were laid down by our Founding Fathers because they felt each of them was essential to ensure we live in a free society. Liberals are enamored with all of them except the 2nd, which guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. They say all of the other amendments confer individual rights, yet claim the 2ndAmendment is a collective right that allows only the government to possess arms. Why would the Framers list 9 individual rights, and one government right? Liberals also don’t seem to understand that the 2nd Amendment protects all the others. Tyrants can’t take speech and voting rights away from an armed populace.

1. Why was George W. Bush a bad President but Barack Obama is a good one? To liberals, George W. Bush was the Devil incarnate. Their biggest beefs were the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the bank bailout, and Guantanamo Bay torture. When Obama took office he escalated the war in Afghanistan, gave even bigger bailouts, and after 5 years in office still hasn’t closed Guantanamo Bay. On top of that, Obama ignores the Constitution, spies on every single American, kills women and children with drone strikes, and has saddled the country with a health care law that will bankrupt the middle class and require an insurance company bailout of epic proportions. I’d say, even to liberals, Bush Jr. looks pretty good by comparison.

1. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. There was just as much bad about the Bush presidency as the Obama presidency.... Republicans seem to ignore that though.

2. The right of people to bear arms is and must be infringed. I shouldn't be able to own a working tank, even if it's for my own private use. I shouldn't be able to own RPG's. I shouldn't be able to own a number of other ARMS either. Until republicans stop being hypocrites and fight for those rights just as much as for assault rifles then I'm afraid the government gets to determine what classify as ARMS covered by the 2nd amendment.

It's either all ARMS or the government determines what ARMS are protected under the 2nd amendment. There's really no middle ground.

Further I've not even mentioned weapons of mass destruction like nuclear and biological ARMS being owned by ordinary people.

I would rather the government determine what ARMS are individually protected by the 2nd amendment than having a free for all where money can buy any ARMS desired. We would live in a scary place if it was legal for anyone and everyone to own tanks and rpgs and any other conventional weapon they wanted.

3. See 2.

4. I think social programs are getting better. There's going to be abuse in any system. However, I can't imagine an America where we no longer had any social programs. I can't imagine an america without public schools and colleges. I cant imagine an america where a young mother can't get the food she needs to feed herself and her kids. I can't imagine such a place. Can you?

5. Certain regulations are required. Saftey regulations are good. Insider trading regulations make wall street work. Bank regulations are generally good. Take away all our regulations and you'd hear talk of alot more bailouts.

However, not every regulation is good. It's a fine line to walk and I think democrats push for too many and republicans typically push for to few.

6. Liberals don't believe fetus's have the same rights are born human beings. There's an assortment of different reasons they feel this way and I'm not going to go into that. I think most everyone realize death penalties do little to deter the crimes that would result in a death penalty. I think most liberals oppose the death penalty on the grounds that killing a living human being for no reason is wrong. Whether you fully agree with the reasoning to get to that view I think you can understand where they are coming from.

I have no problem with the death penalty personally. Just saying I understand why someone would.

7. Obamaccare doesn't promise anyone anything for trying to get someone else enrolled in the program. It's goal was to try and split health insurance costs among everyone including healthy people. The principle makes sense to most especially considering we were paying for countless procedures and emergency situations on uninsured people regardless. At least now some of those people who used not to contribute any will now contribute some to their healthcare costs which is a win for all of us that do pay.

So I'm not sure if it will work, but I definetly believe some kind of a national law mandating health insurance coverage was just as necessary as state laws mandating car insurance. If you don't have car insurance someone else gets stuck with the costs if something goes terribly wrong. Same way with health insurance.

8. There was a time for discriminatory affirmiative action rules. They were essential at one time to help give minorities equal footing in the workplace. They may have outlived their usefulness. I suppose it depends more on how much you see racism holding minorities back and I suppose only minorities would really know that.

I'll say this: at some point all affirmative action plans will be immoral and illegal because of their inate discriminatory nature. That time will come soon but they may still serve a small purpose. I definetely can't see expanding such programs at this time. Maybe keeping them where they are and/or starting to shrink them down.

9. There is such a thing as disparate discrimination. It can be very hard to avoid. It's probably the most prevalent type of discrimination these days. Overt discrimination doesn't happen all that much.

Also, there will never be a truly equal playing field. Children of wealthier parents are more likely to become wealthy. Children of poor families are more likely to become poor. On top of that most minorities tend to be poorer and so this cycle repeats itself...

10. Democrats want amnesty for illegal hispanics primarily to ensure the hispanic vote for decades to come. It's sad thats the primary political driving force behind that argument but it is. I don't blame illegals for not coming here legally... that process is far to difficult. I think it should be though. We don't need just anyone coming to america. We have enough poor that we don't need more.

[aegsm76]

1. GWB believed that America was a unique exceptional nation. BHO wants to make sure that it is not any different than others.
2. The phrase "bear arms" literally means that. Bear = Carry. Don't think you can carry a tank.
Don't have time for any more right now! Gotta work!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

10. How many people should we let into this country?

LEGALLY as many as the current law allows. This current bunch of illegals need to be dealt with AS THE LAW STATES. America should always be a beacon of hope for the world, but we should also make sure our laws are followed and not trampled on.

Originally Posted by Originalist

9. How are rules that apply equally to everyone discriminatory and racist?

That's easy, minorities are always the disenfranchised ones. Whites are always in the wrong, always racist, always discriminating.

Originally Posted by Originalist

8. How are rules that only apply to one group of people not discriminatory and racist?

AA needs to be completely abolished. It's completely discriminatory and racist, but since it benefits minorities it's okay.

Originally Posted by Originalist

7. Do you know what a pyramid scheme is?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Originalist

6. Why is it okay to kill unborn children but wrong to kill convicted murderers?

That's the mind of a Democrat for you. They fall over themselves voting to protect some endangered fungus or beetle, but happily turn around and vote to allow abortions at any time, for any reason, paid for by the taxpayers.

Originally Posted by Originalist

5. How does stagnating growth stimulate the economy?

Fuzzy math.

Originally Posted by Originalist

4. Does it make sense to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?

Not to a normal person.

Originally Posted by Originalist

3. How will punishing law-abiding people stop criminals from breaking the law?

It won't, but they don't care about that. They'd rather have criminals with guns than law-abiding citizens.

Originally Posted by Originalist

2. How can you count to ten if you skip the number two?

Every Democrat on the committee voted to repeal the 2nd amendment this morning. This means the Democrat Party not only supports murdering the unborn, but is also against free speech, free religion and free press.

Originally Posted by Originalist

1. Why was George W. Bush a bad President but Barack Obama is a good one?

Why do people consider him a good President? A huge assist should be given to journalists and media who are overwhelmingly Democrat and Liberal, and who care more about keeping their party in power than they do about being unbiased journalists. Had Fast & Furious, IRS, Vet Delay, NSA, Drones, etc happened with a Republican in the WH....it would be non-stop, headline news. Democrats in Congress would have already tried to impeach, probably more than once.

That, and no Republican in Congress or elsewhere can speak against his policies without being called a racist. obama's skin color has been a big defense for his administration.

W wasn't a bad President, but it wasn't that good either. He continued the Clinton model of expanding government, which gave obama fuel for the dumpster fire. He signed the worst bill against civil liberties in my life thus far (Patriot Act). He rushed to war in Iraq when there was no connection to 9/11. I believe he wanted to take on Iran, but couldn't because we were overextended fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I don't believe he was sincere in his appeal to faith-based groups and churches, but only used them for votes.

Much of what obama is doing with drones, NSA, civil liberties, etc is a result of precedent either started by W, or continued and expanded with his admin.

And ironically, Senator obama was very vocal and against much of what President W did and what President obama is doing now.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

1. GWB believed that America was a unique exceptional nation. BHO wants to make sure that it is not any different than others.
2. The phrase "bear arms" literally means that. Bear = Carry. Don't think you can carry a tank.
Don't have time for any more right now! Gotta work!

I just want to comment on the "bear arms" thing you are saying.

http://brainshavings.com/the-right-t...and-bear-what/

"George Washington’s personal correspondence and official writings are full of references to “arms.” For example, while he commanded the Continental Army, his General Orders repeatedly passed harsh sentences (typically 100 lashes or hanging) on deserters for “bearing arms against these United States.” The severity of the punishments depended on whether the offender simply joined the British and merely “bore arms” or whether he violated the rules of war by committing heinous acts like burning civilian homes.46 Here, Washington made no mention of what type of unit each deserter served in. Common sense suggests he would have applied the penalty identically whether a man was found with the British infantry, artillery, cavalry, or Royal Navy."

With the above I find your definition of "bears arms" as including only small arms that are able to be carried to be untenable. The term "bear arms" as seen above applies to the full range of military weapons they had at the time and not simply to small arms weapons that were able to be carried by a single man.

[aegsm76]

jf - I see your point, but do not concede it...
That terminology for "bearing arms" was different when dealing with deserters.