You Never know how far you will go

[kclee4jc]

Bro. Booker preached a message with that title once and I have found it to be true. In the time that I have been in church and watched people on this forum, it astounds me on how far an evil heart will take a once sanctified and set apart saint. If you are following your heart away from what you once knew to be true, it's time to pull the emergency break.

Philippians 2:12 (KJV)
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Are you afraid of being deceived?

[Monterrey]

Brake!!!!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Bro. Booker preached a message with that title once and I have found it to be true. In the time that I have been in church and watched people on this forum, it astounds me on how far an evil heart will take a once sanctified and set apart saint. If you are following your heart away from what you once knew to be true, it's time to pull the emergency break.

Philippians 2:12 (KJV)
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Are you afraid of being deceived?

Are Preachers who teach doctrine with no Bible support to stand on deceived?

[CC1]

Kleenex,

I appreciate your point but I am sure not in the same parameter as you would have it include. I have a feeling in your mind you mean any deviation from the path of old time legalism and not faith in Christ and belief in the one true God.

I had a pastor who at least once a year would make the point in a sermon that when we read or hear about poeple doing or saying horrible things, committing terrible sins, etc we should think twice before we say anything because all of us are capable of anything without God directing our path and heart.

[Monterrey]

Kleenex? ROFL

Just struck me funny this AM!

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Are Preachers who teach doctrine with no Bible support to stand on deceived?

You never answered my pants question...

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Bro. Booker preached a message with that title once and I have found it to be true. In the time that I have been in church and watched people on this forum, it astounds me on how far an evil heart will take a once sanctified and set apart saint. If you are following your heart away from what you once knew to be true, it's time to pull the emergency break.

Philippians 2:12 (KJV)
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Are you afraid of being deceived?

I prefer the scripture that says
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment (Hebrews 6:1-2)

The UPCI has stopped and been stuck on the foundation for too long, they have not go on unto maturity. No wonder they keep on drinking the milk of the gospel, they still at an infantile stage.

The Bible has about 31,173 verses, yet the UPCI preaches usually just one Acts 2:38, the beginning of Christianity. They are stuck on kindergarten no wonder they have such childish notions of holiness.

They need to step on the accelerator and move on farther than where they have stopped now.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The UPCI has stopped and been stuck on the foundation for too long, they have not go on unto maturity. No wonder they keep on drinking the milk of the gospel, they still at an infantile stage.

The Bible has about 31,173 verses, yet the UPCI preaches usually just one Acts 2:38, the beginning of Christianity. They are stuck on kindergarten no wonder they have such childish notions of holiness.

They need to step on the accelerator and move on farther than where they have stopped now.

Amen.

I believe that there is a biblical order to salvation and several doctrines taught in Scripture relating to salvation. Each doctrine in the order of salvation could have entire libraries written about their significance. The UPCI virtually ignores them. However, here is a brief synopsis of what I believe is the order of salvation as presented in Scripture:

1. Election (God's choice of a people to be saved in Christ alone; the elect, the Church)
2. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the law for the Elect)
3. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against the sins of the Elect)
4. Prevenient Grace (the call of the Holy Spirit to wayward sinners)
5. Conversion (faith, repentance, water baptism)
6. Justification (right legal standing)
7. Regeneration (being born of the Spirit)
8. Adoption (membership in God's family)
9. Sanctification (Christ-likeness)
10. Perseverance (remaining a Christian)
11. Death (going to be with the Lord)
12. Glorification (receiving a resurrection body in sinless perfection)

The UPCI only focuses on Conversion and a legalistic interpretation of Sanctification.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by CC1

Kleenex,

I appreciate your point but I am sure not in the same parameter as you would have it include. I have a feeling in your mind you mean any deviation from the path of old time legalism and not faith in Christ and belief in the one true God.

I had a pastor who at least once a year would make the point in a sermon that when we read or hear about poeple doing or saying horrible things, committing terrible sins, etc we should think twice before we say anything because all of us are capable of anything without God directing our path and heart.

Deception can happen in many forms, even to those who feel incredibly safe. It's like the parable of the people who had the coins and one buried it in the ground because he wanted to be sure and be able to give it back. The owner was angry because there was no usury even from a bank. The moral of this story is that those who feel safest often times aren't.

A person should be able to ask as many questions in their search as possible. The idea to me is, to do all this without sin. People in the church can sin. They can pretend they have no questions, they can have the sin of pride, they can overeat, they can divorce for wrong reasons. They can do all this and have the stamp of approval of other people. But that doesn't mean they are safe.

We need to risk some things sometimes. We need to put our coin to usury at the very least at the bank. And some will take their coin and do very risky things with it. But they will gain and not lose. The only things a person shouldn't do is lose the coin or bury it.