Americans renouncing U.S. citizenship up 700%

[Fionn mac Cumh]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultur...the-income-tax

I found this article to be a good read.

Congress could afford to run the federal government on tariffs alone because federal responsibilities did not include welfare programs, agricultural subsidies, or social insurance programs like Social Security or Medicare

[Fionn mac Cumh]

I guess the issue is what are we getting for our tax money that we could do without? Could we go back to the tariff system? Personally I find tax payer funded pensions a huge issue on all levels. Local, state, fed. That includes teachers, govt officials, seniors. I would also like to see a breakdown of what is included in welfare programs. How do you feel about agro subsidies?

[Praxeas]

Please tone it down and stop the name calling and inflammatory rhetoric. Says Admin

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please tone it down and stop the name calling and inflammatory rhetoric. Says Admin

Are you talking about me?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Really? What did Jesus mean then when he said that?

He was not endorsing a secular welfare state as espoused by statist leftists such as yourself.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

I guess the issue is what are we getting for our tax money that we could do without? Could we go back to the tariff system? Personally I find tax payer funded pensions a huge issue on all levels. Local, state, fed. That includes teachers, govt officials, seniors. I would also like to see a breakdown of what is included in welfare programs. How do you feel about agro subsidies?

My biggest beef is what is provided at a FEDERAL level that is not authorized by the Constitution and is forced on States as mandates. If you are criticizing these huge pensions, then I'm with you. Agro-subsidies are a joke and need to go.

Bottom line, if we grow our economy, then the welfare State will shrink to obscurity. Obama has no interest in a growing private sector economy.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Originalist

He was not endorsing a secular welfare state as espoused by statist leftists such as yourself.

I never said I endorse a welfare state. I'm for helping those who need help while they are trying to better themselves. Most of the people I know on welfare actually work. Obviously they don't make enough to make ends meet. Also why doesn't the church help the poor like they were commanded? I think its a black eye on Christendom when your tithes and offerings go to support a preacher so he doesn't have to work. If a man doesn't work he doesn't eat. Unless of course you are a pastor. My grandpa owned a business, was a father of six, and a pastor.


With regards to the bloated fed govt I agree. I hate how the fed forces things on states with no regard for states rights. Unfortunately that precedent was set with the civil war and the owning of slaves. While I think slavery is wrong, states rights isn't. During the whole health care debate a lot of people were being labeled cessationists as a way to smear them because people mistakenly think racsim when you bring up states rights and cessation because slavery was at the heart of that.

With regards to Obama we are a lot better off now than when he took over. Could he do better? Sure. But to say he doesn't care is out of touch.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Are you talking about me?

No. Im talking to everyone.