Honest Abe was not so honest?? - Page 3

crakjak · #21 04-14-2014, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Sister, the Emacipation proclamation did NOT "free ALL the slaves". And while Lincoln certainly wanted slavery to end, his motive was not that of "racial equality". I presented historical facts to you and you completely ignored them. Thanks to Lincoln, states that once would have had sovereignty on a wide range of issues (health care,definition of marriage, school prayer, energy exploration, education, etc etc) no longer do. But I guess that's OK with you that a zillion injustices were heaped on the States and people so as long as the one injustice of slavery was abolished. The end justifies the means, right?

Furthermore, Lincoln did not "preserve the Union". The union that the Founders created was a voluntary Union between the States. The Union is no longer voluntary. Ultimately a few black robed Marxist judges are the law of land. They get to decide what the Constitution means from day to day, the original intent of the Framers be damned. And they will rubber stamp the edicts and laws passed by politicians whom they agree with ideologically. At one time that States would have simply ignored any unconstitutional law or edict passed. Now the States have a knife to their throat. They have become creatures of the Federal Government instead of creators of the Federal Government. You have Abe Lincoln to thank for getting that ball rolling.

Lincoln destroyed the Union and replaced it with a consolidation.

So If we had fifty completely individual states doing what they each chose to do on every issue, we would have had paradise? Perfect harmony....., and its all Lincoln's fault that we have the mess we have today??? I not sure that would have been a better road, for us to have traveled.

BTW: I am not a sister.

Originalist · #22 04-14-2014, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

So If we had fifty completely individual states doing what they each chose to do on every issue, we would have had paradise? Perfect harmony....., and its all Lincoln's fault that we have the mess we have today??? I not sure that would have been a better road, for us to have traveled.

BTW: I am not a sister.

Are you not a Christian? Then you are a sister.

Nobody said anything about "fifty completely individual states doing what they each chose to do on every issue". What was being referred to is the Federal Government operating solely within the limitations the States allow it to per the Constitution. The Federal Government now usurps powers not granted to it in the Constitution by the States and THAT has resulted in chaos.

crakjak · #23 04-14-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Are you not a Christian? Then you are a sister.

Nobody said anything about "fifty completely individual states doing what they each chose to do on every issue". What was being referred to is the Federal Government operating solely within the limitations the States allow it to per the Constitution. The Federal Government now usurps powers not granted to it in the Constitution by the States and THAT has resulted in chaos.

I'm not in disagreement with your statement above, except the last time I checked I was a brother, my avatar is not myself. LOL

Disciple4life · #24 04-14-2014, 02:37 PM

What is wrong with 50 states all doing what they want as long as they follow the Bill of Rights and the Constitution?

One state of Christians, One state of Hippies, Ones state of Vegans, if you don't like what is going on in your state move to a state where people agree with your political persuasion. Sounds like a paradise to me.