Misty Edwards Full Concert!

[n david]

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Another ex-IHOP intern story

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And another

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NYT story....students told to avoid skeptical parents.

IHOP IS A CULT!

[Michael The Disciple]

* The website Fellowship of the Martyrs, based in Liberty, Mo., has several discussions and stories revolving around whether or not International House of Prayer is a cult-like organization. The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry also purports the worldwide church, famous for 24-hour non-stop prayer, claims the group has "cultic origins and goals."

Doug who leads The Fellowship Of The Martyrs teaches the doctrine of Jezebel, taking the spouses of others. Real reliable source huh?

Christian Apologetics Research ministry is led by Matt Slick. A slick talking Evangelical who I myself have debated on Paltalk. He also claims Oneness Pentecostals are a cult.

[Michael The Disciple]

I'm surprised you would not only promote this cult, but forcefully defend them, in spite of the overwhelming evidence against them. You're quick to speak against McCarthur as a false teacher, but are blinded to the fact that IHOP and Bickle are also deceiving people with their cult.

If you recall this thread started as a video by Misty Edwards. I forcefully defend Misty. She is the most dynamic Christian musician I have ever seen. Now perhaps I come to that conclusion because her life has been the most transparent of any Christian musician I ever heard of.

After watching her music and hearing her speak over the years I stand by that.

As to IHOP when I started watching them I read tons of internet articles many written by "Apologetics" groups and former interns. No doubt I have researched it far more than you have.

In these stories IHOP is usually painted as a cult because of the teaching of total commitment which they call "works". Again before they come they are told it will not be easy on their flesh.

Obviously anyone can leave IHOP if they want to. It happens all the time.

My association with IHOP is like my association with Oneness groups. There are certain things in which I agree with them. Then again there are areas where IHOP is deceived just as there are areas where most Oneness Churches are deceived. I promote the truth as I know it.

As to Macarthur I find nothing to agree with him on.

[Michael The Disciple]

Now lets talk about CATHOLIC INFLUENCE. You make an issue over that with IHOP.

Dave does your Church celebrate Christmas? Does your Church celebrate Easter? I will be interested in knowing this.

With the occultic roots of both would you say that Churches which promote them are "new age"?

Matter of fact what Church do YOU attend? What do they teach? Are you Oneness Pentecostal?

[n david]

So you defend a man and organization that teaches and promotes Catholicism, mysticism, and contemplative new age prayer....but you're against McCarthur.

The video in the link above should be enough to cause any true, spirit-filled believer to run from the org....yet you instead defend them by asking if I celebrated Christmas???? LoL.

Stupid argument. Seriously. For you to compare demonic, new age mysticism to a widely celebrated, family holiday is ridiculous.

I'm done here. There's nothing I could say or show to convince you anything different.

Enjoy.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

So you defend a man and organization that teaches and promotes Catholicism, mysticism, and contemplative new age prayer....but you're against McCarthur.

The video in the link above should be enough to cause any true, spirit-filled believer to run from the org....yet you instead defend them by asking if I celebrated Christmas???? LoL.

Stupid argument. Seriously. For you to compare demonic, new age mysticism to a widely celebrated, family holiday is ridiculous.

I'm done here. There's nothing I could say or show to convince you anything different.

Enjoy.

What I defend is the truth that IHOP does teach. The sermon on the mount. Forsake all discipleship. The post trib rapture. Intensive prayer and worship.

That I agree with. I am pleased that thousands of young people are seeing these things.

Cultic? Any Trinitarian and faith alone teaching is cultic from IHOP, John Macarthur and all evangelicals.

Now back to YOUR CHURCH.

So to you Christmas is merely an accepted family holiday? By who? By the WORLD. I could post literally HUNDREDS of links showing the occultic nature of Christmas and Easter.

Not merely from Catholicism but outright PAGANISM. Apparently you feel ok about it.

You did not want to bring YOUR CHURCH into this conversation I noticed. Could it be you know there are probably a great number of links that can be viewed from many sources that would brand IT as a cult!

Else you would not mind opening it up for examination.

In the meantime someone on the Forum might enjoy the hard hitting discipleship and devotion found in the music of Misty Edwards.

[n david]

Nice try.

Let me see if I have this right...you're okay with promoting an organization that teaches a false, new age belief just as long as there's one or two things you believe as well.

Mmmmk.

Since you desperately want to shift the focus away from your promotion of a false doctrine to my church...I'll say a couple things about it. Funny how when people can no longer defend the indefensible, they change the subject.

So let's play your game.

We're an independent, apostolic church.

We believe in modesty, but not outward dress standards. We have a council of elders who will be training young men to be licensed by the church and ordained. The Pastor does not take tithes, he worked a secular construction job and just recently retired. We adopted an elementary school which we have a few drives a year for school supplies, shoes and other needs. We also support a woman's shelter for abused women. Pastor does not believe pre-trib.

Remember, gotta keep changing the subject. That's the name of your game. Don't want to face the fact that you support an organization that teaches false doctrine.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

Nice try.

Let me see if I have this right...you're okay with promoting an organization that teaches a false, new age belief just as long as there's one or two things you believe as well.

Mmmmk.

Since you desperately want to shift the focus away from your promotion of a false doctrine to my church...I'll say a couple things about it. Funny how when people can no longer defend the indefensible, they change the subject.

So let's play your game.

We're an independent, apostolic church.

We believe in modesty, but not outward dress standards. We have a council of elders who will be training young men to be licensed by the church and ordained. The Pastor does not take tithes, he worked a secular construction job and just recently retired. We adopted an elementary school which we have a few drives a year for school supplies, shoes and other needs. We also support a woman's shelter for abused women. Pastor does not believe pre-trib.

Remember, gotta keep changing the subject. That's the name of your game. Don't want to face the fact that you support an organization that teaches false doctrine.

I wont change the subject. We will include all relevant topics. I like the things you said about your Church. If by not pre trib you mean post trib I would say you have more truth than IHOP.

[Michael The Disciple]

Enjoy this song by Misty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43kLWHSxt9M