Selling Out to Cash In.... Ex-Apostolics...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I think less than half their pastors are even Holy Ghost filled.

If that is true that is an astounding statistic. It seems like I heard it mentioned once before but I don't remember where. Might have been AFF.

Do you know where that comes from? Is it credible or a Thadism?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by revrandy

It disturbs me when I see ex-apostolics on Televsion hawking money for the propagation of False Doctrine....

When I see ex-apostolic singers who turn their back on truth and claim anointing and propagate false doctrine...

Seems like they "sold out" to Cash in...

Claiming that their new found wealth & popularity is a sign of God's Blessings....

What think Ye??

If wealth and popularity is a sign of God's blessing then all the gansta rappers that simulate sex in their videos are VERY blessed....

Anyone that believes popularity and wealth is a sign of God's favor, sans the biblical signs and fruits, is deceived in my opinion.

Having said that I am not saying or referring to any specific person, but I will ask, why can't they make a career out of singing and doing Christian songs, even if it means appearing on TBN when Apostolic business people or laity can work for sinners or make business deals with non-Apostolics?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

the truth is, he started this thread after I sent him a PM explaining my next [ad]venture. I was offered a 1hour/weekly spot on a christian network to teach or whatever... and the pay is $$$$$$ great!!!! Bye Bye poverty!! Money cometh!!! cha ching!!! $$$$$

Teaching what? What are your qualifications? Is this on TV?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I do not think that the money part of the prosperity doctrine is what all are leading too. Althought with larger churches come larger tithe checks. I think that to say "cashing in" is a little of a stretch. Some have cashed in referring to money. Some have cashed in with a more effective ministries, better programs, etc. Some have gone crazy and left God altogether. Some have stepped out from under the crazy-con-ideology that some of the UPC has and been able to reach better, further and been more affective.

But keep in mind that the bible says, Deuteronomy 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Remember that wealth is not always money, but sometimes it is.

Yes, but let's also remember that wealth was to establish HIS covenant, not our personal kingdoms.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well if the AS was about the New Birth, I am horribly sorry I have ever slammed it. I have no problem signing a document affirming my belief in the only saving message to the world. However, I don't believe that is what it was about at all. It was about standards.

PP,

The AS was engineered by Paul Price, L.E. Westburg, and David Gray.

I only met Brother Gray once, and didn't know him personally, but knew Brother Westburg very well, and still talk to Paul Price at least once a month, sometimes more.

The primary reason for the AS was the strengthening of the New Birth message, because there were men like Mickey Friend and his ilk that did not believe it.

I spoke with these men at length.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Teaching what? What are your qualifications? Is this on TV?

Teaching whatever I want to teach.... bible stuff...

Buck Like a Mule: Shockamoo in 12 lessons

The Art of Hand Laying

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by revrandy

This isn't about hawking for money or having money but Ex-Apostolics raising money for themselves or some ministry to propagate False Doctrine??

Are you referring to TBN fundraisers where some guy (or gal) preaches from a scripture verse and then promises if you sow a seed of X dollars (corrosponding with the scripture number) you will reap a harvest and that it is a spiritual law?

Those things turn me off like nothing else can. I do have a problem with any person that appears in those things for the purpose of promoting that false propserity doctrine Apostolic, Ex-Apostolic or not.

The false doctrine there too is grave. They really believe that if they preach it, God will back it up. If you prophesy, God HAS to do it...so prophesy is no longer what God says through you or to you to tell someone else. Prophesy is what you declare out of your own will or desires and God is obligated to do it.

Has to make you wonder if they spend much time prayingl, interceding or asking for things when all they have to do is just speak it into existence

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Teaching whatever I want to teach.... bible stuff...

Buck Like a Mule: Shockamoo in 12 lessons

The Art of Hand Laying

Why would someone offer you money to do this? What are your qualifications? To whom will you be teaching? Is this on TV or audio? Whose network is this? sounds kinda fishy

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why would someone offer you money to do this? What are your qualifications? To whom will you be teaching? Is this on TV or audio? Whose network is this? sounds kinda fishy

that's cause it's not true... geeze... you are taking everything so seriously as of late...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

that's cause it's not true... geeze... you are taking everything so seriously as of late...

He has been very moody ... bordering on hormonal.