Earlier this year, Brother Stoneking spoke at CLC in Stockton, CA where he spent a significant amount of time speaking about why preachers who leave this Apostolic truth never return.
"They'll never be back. They're gone."
"Revelation and deception feel exactly the same because they both come from God."
Start from the 26 minute mark and his point is made by the 52 minute mark.
I think it would be a good thing for me to listen to this sermon and to examine myself, in the Light of the Holy Scriptures. I hope you decide to do the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDIrog1Sb1c
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
He mentions "falling away from faith". I think what he meant by that is "leaving the church and the doctrines we teach". But the Bible doesn't say "leaving Lee Stoneking's church is the same as falling away from faith".
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"Revelation and deception feel exactly the same because they both come from God."
Good catch. Consider the logic behind it (not that logic is ever required for such matters of faith.)
--Only the HG leads one to have faith in the only begotten Son of God, correct?
--Therefore, the default condition of an unregenerated or rebellious heart is essentially one of unbelief, correct?
So, according to LS (and whoever wrote 2 Thessalonians) AFTER someone tips away from wanting to live by faith, God still needs to send more delusion, just to seal the deal, right? What a waste of HG energy, to help people NOT believe, at a time when they already were NOT believing. Home run for God, he never loses.
Once again, the god sounds just like the men who continue to create him.
(PS. I didn't watch vid. Hope I got the gist of it, based on having heard enough of LS in the 90s.)
i think ive stated my position on Stoneking enough for folk to know where i stand on some of his more....creative.... doctrinal views....
but this:
"Revelation and deception feel exactly the same because they both come from God."
that right there is interesting. Its also true. Now I dont believe that everyone who left the UPCI has recieved a spirit of deception, but it is without question in my mind that some have and that it is a true statement that deception and revalation feel the same, because the both come from God....
that scares the pants off of me. I dont want to recieved from God something that will distroy me.
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i think ive stated my position on Stoneking enough for folk to know where i stand on some of his more....creative.... doctrinal views....
but this:
"Revelation and deception feel exactly the same because they both come from God."
that right there is interesting. Its also true. Now I dont believe that everyone who left the UPCI has recieved a spirit of deception, but it is without question in my mind that some have and that it is a true statement that deception and revalation feel the same, because the both come from God....
that scares the pants off of me. I dont want to recieved from God something that will distroy me.
How do you know you haven't already? If there is no way to distinguish it? Frankly, I think what Stoneking is saying is hogwash. Some people are deceived but I also believe there is something in their spirit that knows it on some level.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
I certainly DO think that God can and does send deceptions, but I also believe the circumstances are so extreme that we don't need to live in fear as some "men of gawd!" will inevitably use it as a tool of control.
How do you know you haven't already? If there is no way to distinguish it? Frankly, I think what Stoneking is saying is hogwash. Some people are deceived but I also believe there is something in their spirit that knows it on some level.
its a good question. I dont think it is hogwash to say that deception and revalation feel alike as they both come from God. Ive seen some things that i wont share here that clear that up for me.
I would also add that LS ought to be mindful of his own statements as he has himself walked a line that puts him in the crosshairs.
(see how i got that word hair in there?).
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I certainly DO think that God can and does send deceptions, but I also believe the circumstances are so extreme that we don't need to live in fear as some "men of gawd!" will inevitably use it as a tool of control.
my friend, when I say it scare me.... I mean that as someone who is responsible for teaching and preaching. I mean it as in the fear of the Lord..
I want to make sure that what I say, is what God means, and not what I have come to believe via my own agenda.
I dont mean that people (other people) need to be in fear. And no man ought to fear some men of gawd as you say. That is just wrong.
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I certainly DO think that God can and does send deceptions, but I also believe the circumstances are so extreme that we don't need to live in fear as some "men of gawd!" will inevitably use it as a tool of control.
Right.
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Seriously.
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