Zimmerman not guilty!!!

[CC1]

I think the correct verdict was reached. Prosecuting this case was a matter of appeasing the race card / civil rights folks.

I have no doubt that Zimmerman is a jerk and was obnoxiously over zealous in his running of the neighborhood watch. However not for one second have I ever believed he set out to shoot someone. I believe he confronted someone he thought was an intruder and a fight then ocurred during which he fired his gun in self defense.

I think it was inexcusable that the DA and media spend months portraying the murder victim as a 12 year old kid instead of the 17 year old young man he was. A young man involved with drugs, pics of guns, bad behavior in school,etc. That does not make him guilty of anything that night but does make it clear he was not an innocent 12 year old boy killed by a mean ole man. The totality of the information about the victim indicates he very well could have acted aggresively towards Zimmerman once Zimmerman confronted him and asked what he was doing there.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by houston

My apologies. I thought you was someone else.

I was not the least bit offended to be referred to as an African American, but I repeat, what does it matter?

Did I have to be Black to take that point of view?

My daddy was one who thought OJ was innocent...we disagreed on that. But I suppose you would have thought he was Black, too.

There is probably no way this race issue will ever be resolved, but I am SO tired in the dividing line of opinion being based on ethnicity.

Maybe I'm weird, but I have never held an opinion because of my race.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

I think the correct verdict was reached. Prosecuting this case was a matter of appeasing the race card / civil rights folks.

I have no doubt that Zimmerman is a jerk and was obnoxiously over zealous in his running of the neighborhood watch. However not for one second have I ever believed he set out to shoot someone. I believe he confronted someone he thought was an intruder and a fight then ocurred during which he fired his gun in self defense.

I think it was inexcusable that the DA and media spend months portraying the murder victim as a 12 year old kid instead of the 17 year old young man he was. A young man involved with drugs, pics of guns, bad behavior in school,etc. That does not make him guilty of anything that night but does make it clear he was not an innocent 12 year old boy killed by a mean ole man. The totality of the information about the victim indicates he very well could have acted aggresively towards Zimmerman once Zimmerman confronted him and asked what he was doing there.

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

So many things wrong with this whole business...

Now if you are concerned about your neighborhood and actually willing to give of your time and energy to be a help then if you ever really get in a jam because of it people will just assume you are some kind of yahoo based on the fact that you actually were willing to help? How really, really stupid is that?

If a person of color commits a crime against you requiring you to defend yourself, and if they get the worse end of the deal, and you are a lighter shade than them, well...then it will be assumed that you were involved because they were a darker person... How really, really stupid is THAT?

And if the law can plainly see that you did noting wrong you will still get dragged through a public trial... and even after your life is ruined... when you are finally acquitted... There will still be people to say that you are a murderer... how really, really... oh never mind.

For me, this crime was NEVER about race, and I really don't think it was for GZ either.

But the fact remains, a young man is dead and the older man with the gun shot him.

In my opinion, yes, I think GZ got away with murder.

I like you a lot, and though we don't agree on some things, I like your attitude and spirit.

I'm sorry if you feel my view on this issue is stupid...

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Barb

For me, this crime was NEVER about race, and I really don't think it was for GZ either.

But the fact remains, a young man is dead and the older man with the gun shot him.

In my opinion, yes, I think GZ got away with murder.

I like you a lot, and though we don't agree on some things, I like your attitude and spirit.

I'm sorry if you feel my view on this issue is stupid...

I think this ever being brought to the level of a crime was always about race. It was about people like Al Shapton and others who want to stay in the spotlight asking people to march or riot and demand this man be arrested.

It's about appointing 'special' prosecutors when the current elected DA does not believe a crime was committed and when the local police do not believe that a crime was committed.... It's about posting pictures of TM as a 12 year old all over the media rather than showing the strong, ripped young man he was. It's about referring to TM as 'baby' and 'angel' when in fact he was an up and coming thug with pics all over social media sites of him smoking dope and shooting the bird.. It's about a media trial rather than a trial in a court of law with rules of evidence and rules of law. It's about refusing to accept the verdict of a jury.

I do think it is tragic that a kid, who given enough time might have turned his life around, will never get that chance... This is hard for me to see as a person because a couple of my own kids went through similar stages and are now productive men... Admittting that if one of them had ever been the ones beating some guys head on the sidewalk and that guys best defense had been with a gun then they would not have gotten that chance...well... it's a wake up call. But being that guy does not make GZ a criminal, let alone a murderer. To say he deserved for TM to attack him because he was doing his Neighborhood Watch job is wrong.

IMO.There is no reason that someone with the lawful right to carry should have to die with their gun still in the holster from a beating... and I believe it could have easily gone the other way. GZ might have been a yahoo... or maybe not but I don't see how it is wrong that he was acquitted, all evidence suggested a straightforward self-defense scenario. Nothing contradicted that. The jury had to find in favor of the defense. Had they done otherwise, it would have been an incredible miscarriage of justice. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means something in our system of justice. And if ever reasonable doubt existed, it was in this case.

How you can see that as GZ getting away with murder is beyond me Barb.... and BTW, I like you too.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by Barb

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I think this ever being brought to the level of a crime was always about race. It was about people like Al Shapton and others who want to stay in the spotlight asking people to march or riot and demand this man be arrested.

It's about appointing 'special' prosecutors when the current elected DA does not believe a crime was committed and when the local police do not believe that a crime was committed.... It's about posting pictures of TM as a 12 year old all over the media rather than showing the strong, ripped young man he was. It's about referring to TM as 'baby' and 'angel' when in fact he was an up and coming thug with pics all over social media sites of him smoking dope and shooting the bird.. It's about a media trial rather than a trial in a court of law with rules of evidence and rules of law. It's about refusing to accept the verdict of a jury.

I do think it is tragic that a kid, who given enough time might have turned his life around, will never get that chance... This is hard for me to see as a person because a couple of my own kids went through similar stages and are now productive men... Admittting that if one of them had ever been the ones beating some guys head on the sidewalk and that guys best defense had been with a gun then they would not have gotten that chance...well... it's a wake up call. But being that guy does not make GZ a criminal, let alone a murderer. To say he deserved for TM to attack him because he was doing his Neighborhood Watch job is wrong.

IMO.There is no reason that someone with the lawful right to carry should have to die with their gun still in the holster from a beating... and I believe it could have easily gone the other way. GZ might have been a yahoo... or maybe not but I don't see how it is wrong that he was acquitted, all evidence suggested a straightforward self-defense scenario. Nothing contradicted that. The jury had to find in favor of the defense. Had they done otherwise, it would have been an incredible miscarriage of justice. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means something in our system of justice. And if ever reasonable doubt existed, it was in this case.

How you can see that as GZ getting away with murder is beyond me Barb.... and BTW, I like you too.

I couldn't have said it better. You can not say this was not an issue of race. Tell me of one case getting this much media attention that was black killing black. As someone stated earlier that happens a lot and no media outcry to that. Why not?

Another issue that bothers me is every saying how sorry they are for Trayvons mother, what about Zimmers mother. You don't think she is suffering.

If your child felt his life was in danger wouldn't you want them to defend themselves?

But the end result is Zimmermans life is ruined, thanks to the media.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Barb

For me, this crime was NEVER about race, and I really don't think it was for GZ either.

But the fact remains, a young man is dead and the older man with the gun shot him.

In my opinion, yes, I think GZ got away with murder.

I like you a lot, and though we don't agree on some things, I like your attitude and spirit.

I'm sorry if you feel my view on this issue is stupid...

Barb do you think he set out with the intent to murder Trayvon?

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by Esther

I couldn't have said it better. You can not say this was not an issue of race. Tell me of one case getting this much media attention that was black killing black. As someone stated earlier that happens a lot and no media outcry to that. Why not?

Another issue that bothers me is every saying how sorry they are for Trayvons mother, what about Zimmers mother. You don't think she is suffering.

If your child felt his life was in danger wouldn't you want them to defend themselves?

But the end result is Zimmermans life is ruined, thanks to the media.

GZ's mom STILL has her son........Treyvons mom does NOT~

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Barb

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

Barb, did you watch the trial or read any police reports? Because it was proven in court, by witness testimony, police reports and forensic evidence that GZ was defending his life. Self defense is justified in this case. Also, GZ did NOT watch TM die... I'm not sure where that came from. And he did show remorse. So,...???