Rejoicing In the Sabbath: - Page 47

bbyrd009 · #**461** 02-17-2012, 09:30 AM

Cool. That is what I did my best to answer. I am not bound by a law.

Aquila · #**462** 02-17-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Actually, Paul was quoting from the 10 commandments when he said "we're delivered from the Law"

Rom 7
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

We are delivered from the penalty of the law and the laws demands per the Law of Moses. Now we obey through the Spirit instead of the laws demand.

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7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Ex 20:17
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

The Law is not sin. In fact the Law identifies sin. Paul would not know sin accept by the Law. The Law of God still identifies sin.

Aquila · #**463** 02-17-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Whether Saturday night or Sunday morning, the point is the same. They had church the first day of the week. Again, it's a strawman to say the Roman church forced anything. They made an issue out of it, but who cares? A day is a day. Paul contrasted those who eat meat and those who refuse meat as those strong and weak in the faith respectively. He did the same with not keeping a day and keeping a day holy in Romans 14. This shows that keeping a day holy is weakness of faith.

Who is weak in the faith? It is the one who is more concerned over the outward issue of meats and days than the other. One who needs a physical act or physical refraining of an act is weak in the faith since they require something physically done or refrained from with a focus on doing or not doing.

Romans 14:1-6 KJV Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. (2) For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. (3) Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. (4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (6) He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Historically ignorant.

People were excommunicated and severely persecuted after the Sunday edict. Who cares that early Christians were murdered over not worshipping on Sunday?

Aquila · #**464** 02-17-2012, 01:38 PM

The principle of the Sabbath would bring great peace to our fast paced, non-stop, work-aholic way of life.

The principle is found in having a day of rest and family devotion. Something most don't experience on days when they are rushing to Sunday services.

Let's say that the day one chooses to worship corporately doesn't matter. Technically we aren't talking about days of corporate worship anyway.

What are some ways we can rediscover the principle of the Sabbath in our lives? I mean, going beyond the pat theological response that Jesus is our Sabbath. Let's move into the realm of application and practice.

Do you sabbath? Do you have one day wherein you and your family rest, worship together, and seek the refreshing of your souls through the blessings of recreation God has given you?

TGBTG · #**465** 02-17-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

We are delivered from the penalty of the law and the laws demands per the Law of Moses. Now we obey through the Spirit instead of the laws demand.

The Law is not sin. In fact the Law identifies sin. Paul would not know sin accept by the Law. The Law of God still identifies sin.

The Law demands per the Law of Moses?? I was asking about the Law of God which Paul referred to in Romans 7:6. Anyway, for the sake of argument, you have said we're delivered from the PENALTY of the Law (Although the text does not say penalty of the Law, it says delivered from the Law).

In any case, how do you understand we're DEAD to the Law of God? (Romans 7:4)

TGBTG · #**466** 02-17-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The principle of the Sabbath would bring great peace to our fast paced, non-stop, work-aholic way of life.

The principle is found in having a day of rest and family devotion. Something most don't experience on days when they are rushing to Sunday services.

Let's say that the day one chooses to worship corporately doesn't matter. Technically we aren't talking about days of corporate worship anyway.

What are some ways we can rediscover the principle of the Sabbath in our lives? I mean, going beyond the pat theological response that Jesus is our Sabbath. Let's move into the realm of application and practice.

Do you sabbath? Do you have one day wherein you and your family rest, worship together, and seek the refreshing of your souls through the blessings of recreation God has given you?

Take a vacation....

On a serious note though, your question assumes the person has a family. Some of us are single and young. We don't enjoy staying at home on saturday doing nothing. 10 hours of sleep is good enough for me...i'd like to hang out without my buddies....

bbyrd009 · #**467** 02-17-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Take a vacation....

On a serious note though, your question assumes the person has a family. Some of us are single and young. We don't enjoy staying at home on saturday doing nothing. 10 hours of sleep is good enough for me...i'd like to hang out without my buddies....

Um, you'd like to hang out w/o your buddies? I'm sure you meant "I wouldn't like..."

I'm single, and Friday night is special now, and Saturday, too. My buddies are my family, so while I usually don't answer the phone, My door is usually open for...Sabbath things. It is what you make it, and mine is still forming. From the deep South, lol...

Aquila · #**468** 02-17-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Take a vacation....

On a serious note though, your question assumes the person has a family. Some of us are single and young. We don't enjoy staying at home on saturday doing nothing. 10 hours of sleep is good enough for me...i'd like to hang out without my buddies....

One day the notion might be music to your ears.

Aquila · #**469** 02-17-2012, 06:35 PM

One has to understand the relationship between the Law of God and the Law of Moses. The Law of God is a prefect expression of holiness and God's intention for all of mankind. The Law of Moses kept the people from violating the Law of God, and provided a ceremonial way for attonement. In Christ we need no ceremonial attonement for sin (violation of the Law of God). We just turn to Christ. In Christ we are dead to the Law of God. Meaning we are not saved by keeping the Law. We are instead saved in Christ. Our born again nature leads us to desire to please God, obeying His Law is now in our nature, it is written upon our hearts.

bbyrd009 · #**470** 02-17-2012, 06:43 PM

24 hours in which you cannot pull me from the now...special.

I just discovered the most sublime drum riff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d22Hv...shuffle=420722

Ty, God, for Sabbath.