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Old 02-05-2012, 09:17 PM
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

These are the verses that I cite for why I am not especially concerned with keeping the Sabbath as such. I have friend who keeps Sunday very strictly as the day of rest. We have agreed that neither of us shall despise the other for our own position.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:05 PM
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

The way I read it in my bible the Sabbath was instituted in creation and will continue into the new age after the return of Christ Jesus.

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." Genesis 2:2-3

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." Exodus 20:8-11

As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the LORD, “so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD. Isaiah 66:22-23
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:07 PM
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

Spoken from the mouth of Jesus Christ regarding the destruction of the temple in 70 AD

Matthew 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

This passage clearly shows that Jesus EXPECTED that those who lived 70 years after his death would still be observing the Sabbath.

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Old 02-05-2012, 10:41 PM
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Spoken from the mouth of Jesus Christ regarding the destruction of the temple in 70 AD

Matthew 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

This passage clearly shows that Jesus EXPECTED that those who lived 70 years after his death would still be observing the Sabbath.
That really has no bearing on if sabbath still for today. He was speaking of them escaping Jerusalem which would be harder on sabbath just like it would in winter.
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

Hebrews 4
[B]1THEREFORE, WHILE the promise of entering His rest still holds and is offered [today], let us be afraid [[a]to distrust it], lest any of you should think he has come too late and has come short of [reaching] it.

2For indeed we have had the glad tidings [Gospel of God] proclaimed to us just as truly as they [the Israelites of old did when the good news of deliverance from bondage came to them]; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because it was not mixed with faith (with [c]the leaning of the entire personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness) by those who heard it; [d]neither were they united in faith with the ones [Joshua and Caleb] who heard (did believe).

3For we who have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on God) do enter that rest, [e]in accordance with His declaration that those [who did not believe] should not enter when He said, As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest; and this He said although [His] works had been completed and prepared [and waiting for all who would believe] from the foundation of the world.

4For in a certain place He has said this about the seventh day: And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.

5And [they forfeited their part in it, for] in this [passage] He said, They shall not enter My rest.

6Seeing then that the promise remains over [from past times] for some to enter that rest, and that those who formerly were given the good news about it and the opportunity, failed to appropriate it and did not enter because of disobedience,

7Again He sets a definite day, [a new] Today, [and gives another opportunity of securing that rest] saying through David after so long a time in the words already quoted, Today, if you would hear His voice and when you hear it, do not harden your hearts.

8[This mention of a rest was not a reference to their entering into Canaan.] For if Joshua had given them rest, He [God] would not speak afterward about another day.

9So then, there is still awaiting a full and complete Sabbath-rest reserved for the [true] people of God;

10For he who has once entered [God's] rest also has ceased from [the weariness and pain] of human labors, just as God rested from those labors [f]peculiarly His own.

11Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief and disobedience [into which those in the wilderness fell].

12For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the [g]breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.

13And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, naked and defenseless to the eyes of Him with Whom we have to do.

14Inasmuch then as we have a great High Priest Who has [already] ascended and passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession [of faith in Him].

15For we do not have a High Priest Who is unable to understand and sympathize and have a shared feeling with our weaknesses and infirmities and liability to the assaults of temptation, but One Who has been tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sinning.

16Let us then fearlessly and confidently and boldly draw near to the throne of grace (the throne of God's unmerited favor to us sinners), that we may receive mercy [for our failures] and find grace to help in good time for every need [appropriate help and well-timed help, coming just when we need it].
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That really has no bearing on if sabbath still for today. He was speaking of them escaping Jerusalem which would be harder on sabbath just like it would in winter.
And WHY do you suppose it would be harder? I suspect because they would be observing the Sabbath which was my point. If Jesus expected believers to be observing the Sabbath 70 years after his death exactly when do you propose that he expected them to stop.

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No one has ever made the case for me that Gentile Christians must keep Sabbath. I see no need to unless they do.
I just have to ask MTD... why would you need proof that humans need a day of rest and worship? As once said by a famous person... "does not even nature teach it is so?" Even our human employers do not make us work 7 days a week recognizing our need for rest and renewal. There are many commandments that are sometimes tough to keep... why not take advantage of the one that is never hard to do
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And WHY do you suppose it would be harder? I suspect because they would be observing the Sabbath which was my point. If Jesus expected believers to be observing the Sabbath 70 years after his death exactly when do you propose that he expected them to stop.
Because the city would have been on lock down so to speak. Doesn't support christians honor sabbath.
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Because the city would have been on lock down so to speak. Doesn't support christians honor sabbath.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:59 PM
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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I just have to ask MTD... why would you need proof that humans need a day of rest and worship? As once said by a famous person... "does not even nature teach it is so?" Even our human employers do not make us work 7 days a week recognizing our need for rest and renewal. There are many commandments that are sometimes tough to keep... why not take advantage of the one that is never hard to do

Could you please speak to my superiors as they do not seem to believe that I need 8 hours of sleep, much less one day of rest. I know that is not a nice thing to say, however it is the total truth.
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