Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

If such a doctrine is allowed to be pushed on this forum, then please let the admins of this forum delete my account. Any man who denies the truth of the justice of God is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Luke 9:54-56 (New King James Version)

54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”

55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.

Jeremiah 32:34-36 (New King James Version)

34 But they set their abominations in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. 35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’


Will God do what He calls an abomination? I say absolutely not!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Luke 9:54-56 (New King James Version)

54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”

55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.

Jeremiah 32:34-36 (New King James Version)

34 But they set their abominations in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. 35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’


Will God do what He calls an abomination? I say absolutely not!

Are you sure that passage in Jeremiah really supports your doctrine? It seems a little far fetched to me... maybe I am missing something?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Are you sure that passage in Jeremiah really supports your doctrine? It seems a little far fetched to me... maybe I am missing something?

I certainly believe the Jeremiah reference, shows that God called it an abomination for Israel to burn their children. Would He do what He calls an abomination. I believe this would be supportive of my view.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

If such a doctrine is allowed to be pushed on this forum, then please let the admins of this forum delete my account. Any man who denies the truth of the justice of God is a liar and the truth is not in him.

This is a discussion board, my posts are my views, they are not being "pushed", if God doesn't impress on you that these views are true, by all means reject them. I didn't turn this thread toward UR, my view was mischaracterized, followed by a question, by the original poster of the thread. I corrected his understanding of my view and answered his question. You and others continued the UR direction of the thread.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

If such a doctrine is allowed to be pushed on this forum, then please let the admins of this forum delete my account. Any man who denies the truth of the justice of God is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Oh good grief. Another "please delete my account" request.

Oh. The. Drama.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Aren't you the guy I've heard about that believes that everyone is saved? If you think everyone is saved, why bother with tongues? What's the point?

Originally Posted by crakjak

I have never said that "everyone one IS saved", rather all WILL be saved.
Some thru the "fire", some thur the flood, .....but ALL thru the BLOOD, one needs to decide what path they will walk to their final destiny.

Everyone's final destiny is determined, however, many will continue to walk the broad road, and their lives in this world will be wasted. Many are believing now and are the elect, and will, therefore, not have to go thru the refiners fire.

So, I highly recommend entering life here and now, so that one does not have to endure the "fiery" presence of the living God. By which all chaff and dross will be removed.

That my friend is the point, the work of redemption is complete, Jesus said, "It is finished", however, the entering into to it is another matter.

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Those who deny Hell are humanists who deny the justice of God. If God is love, God must hate sin, and all are guilty of sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, All who come in true repentance and faith in Christ shall be saved. Those who won't shall forever be condemned to the eternal fire of Hell, which is in fact the full manifestation of the wrath of God against all unrighteousness.

Universalism denies the justice of God, the holiness of God, the depravity of sin. It makes grace just a get out of damnation free card. How a person can read the Bible and not believe in Hell is unfathomable.

For the record, OP started this off topic issue of Universal Reconciliation, CJ responded and Untraditional Milked CJ for more discussion,

I have considered moving this thread to the doctrinal debate area because of that but in any case Untraditional, you are welcome to leave on your own. But next time if, if you decide to stay, you have an issue with something, instead of calling the Admins out you better use the post reporting tool or PM someone in private.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

Oh good grief. Another "please delete my account" request.

Oh. The. Drama.

Exactly!!
Don't come on a discussion forum and espouse your views, unless you are fully prepared to refute opposing views. Good Grief!!! Especially with an attitude!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

For the record, OP started this off topic issue of Universal Reconciliation, CJ responded and Untraditional Milked CJ for more discussion,

I have considered moving this thread to the doctrinal debate area because of that but in any case Untraditional, you are welcome to leave on your own. But next time if, if you decide to stay, you have an issue with something, instead of calling the Admins out you better use the post reporting tool or PM someone in private.

Thank you, Praxes.

I will discontinue the UR discussion here.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I certainly believe the Jeremiah reference, shows that God called it an abomination for Israel to burn their children. Would He do what He calls an abomination. I believe this would be supportive of my view.

"pass through the fire" doesn't sound to me like something as simple as them burning their children. Maybe it was a ritual involving fire? Or maybe causing their children to pass through the fire was some kind correcting punishment that would cause their children to act right?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Thank you, Praxes.

I will discontinue the UR discussion here.

But you can discuss Jeremiah